I have found a small clue to what it is we have been crunching, at least the cryptic scouts. Please see this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3biz-q8VCI&t=95s

If the rest of Adria's research is coherent with the cryptic scouts, then it is most likely research on druggable cryptic pockets of protein structures. That could well relate to anti-viral drugs, if you recall Toni's announcement that Covid related research was coming.

So bozz4science (et al) there appears to be a possibility that we are crunching very similar research to the Covid Moonshot project (e.g. F@H and World Community Grid), that is finding a low cost and easily dispensed drug to cure the Covid virus.

Only my speculation, though.

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"Together we crunch
To check out a hunch
And wish all our credit
Could just buy us lunch"

Piasa Tribe - Illini Nation

Here's a bit of promise for owners of Ampere GPUs: https://www.acellera.com/index.php/2021/04/06/release-of-acemd-3-4/

This new version brings support to the latest NVIDIA GPUs, including the Ampere architecture, as well as performance improvements. The simulation speed has been benchmarked against several systems at typical production conditions on different GPU devices (including GTX 1080, GTX1080 Ti, RTX 2080 Ti and RTX 3090). For the DHFR benchmark, on RTX 3090, ACEMD achieves the speed of ~1.3 µs/day.

This appears to be an explanation of why this project has not upgraded so far. Acellera is the owner and developer of the software, so we had to wait on them, not the GPUGRID team so far. Hopefully the license here will not need to be upgraded ($$$).

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"Together we crunch
To check out a hunch
And wish all our credit
Could just buy us lunch"

Piasa Tribe - Illini Nation

I have found a small clue to what it is we have been crunching, at least the cryptic scouts. Please see this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3biz-q8VCI&t=95s

If the rest of Adria's research is coherent with the cryptic scouts, then it is most likely research on druggable cryptic pockets of protein structures. That could well relate to anti-viral drugs, if you recall Toni's announcement that Covid related research was coming.

So bozz4science (et al) there appears to be a possibility that we are crunching very similar research to the Covid Moonshot project (e.g. F@H and World Community Grid), that is finding a low cost and easily dispensed drug to cure the Covid virus.

Only my speculation, though.

i don't believe they are the same research.

and i've noticed some significant GPU behavior between running these two types.

The CRYPTICSCOUT tasks seem to be more computationally intense, clocks on my 2080ti are ~100MHz less than running D3RBandit, at the same power limit of 225W. Also the PCIe utilization is about 2x for CRYPTICSCOUT (41% @ PCIe 3.0 x16) vs D3RBandit (23% @ PCIe 3.0 x16). and similar observations from a 2070 on a completely separate system. CRYPTICSCOUT (60% @ PCIe 3.0 x8) vs D3RBandit (39% @ PCIe 3.0 x8) with 90-100MHz clock reduction at the same power limit (150W). Also noted a bit higher VRAM use

all of this leads me to believe that this is most likely something completely different.

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Here's a bit of promise for owners of Ampere GPUs: https://www.acellera.com/index.php/2021/04/06/release-of-acemd-3-4/

The news from Acellera is 2 months old by now. Any update on using the new version here?

MrS

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Scanning for our furry friends since Jan 2002

Well these latest runs do not seem to take kindly to system restarts.https://www.gpugrid.net/result.php?resultid=32625822 and https://www.gpugrid.net/result.php?resultid=32625926. Two different machines each with a GTX1060.

Well these latest runs do not seem to take kindly to system restarts.https://www.gpugrid.net/result.php?resultid=32625822 and https://www.gpugrid.net/result.php?resultid=32625926. Two different machines each with a GTX1060.

this is a long standing "problem"/idiosyncrasy with the acemd3 app. not really specific to these new tasks, though it was less of a setback with the shorter run tasks to lose maybe 10-20mins of work vs several hours you could lose with these long running tasks. even the fastest GPUs that can contribute at the moment (2080ti) will take 12hrs to complete a task. system restarts should be avoided/delayed until the WU processing is complete.

yours seems to have exited without saying why though, which is a little strange. usually system restarts could give an error stating that you cant restart on a different device (even when it restarted on the same device) but that doesn't look to have happened for you.

still. I'd recommend not restarting the system until computation has finished.

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Well these latest runs do not seem to take kindly to system restarts.https://www.gpugrid.net/result.php?resultid=32625822 and https://www.gpugrid.net/result.php?resultid=32625926. Two different machines each with a GTX1060.

I actually picked up a resend of this one. failed on my system too. but it failed immediately. not sure why yours ran for several hours before failing. but it looks like all the resends are failing too. must be a problem with the WU.

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I had 3 insta fails on one of my hosts this morning also.

Can these new tasks be processed on a laptop? My GTX 1060 shows between 0.36% and 0.72% per hour, while in the past it used to show 1.08% per hour. At such rates i am missing deadlines... And, according to GPU-Z, working at as low as 600-700 MHz, it has temperature of 91-92 C. I already asked this question... Is something wrong with my Gigabyte Aero 15, or should I expect better performance from a laptop? Or is it even impossible due to poor cooling compared to desktops/rigs?

Can these new tasks be processed on a laptop? My GTX 1060 shows between 0.36% and 0.72% per hour, while in the past it used to show 1.08% per hour. At such rates i am missing deadlines... And, according to GPU-Z, working at as low as 600-700 MHz, it has temperature of 91-92 C. I already asked this question... Is something wrong with my Gigabyte Aero 15, or should I expect better performance from a laptop? Or is it even impossible due to poor cooling compared to desktops/rigs?

what are your ambient temps?

laptops will run hot no matter what. and with BOINC loads, and especially a project like GPUGRID which pushes the GPU harder than other projects, you should expect to see very high temps and thermal throttling. you might be able to help the situation a little by blowing out the fans if they are clogged up with dust or something. even with clear airflow, the laptop will likely still thermal throttle, but you should get better GPU clocks and process faster. you might not make the 5-day deadline still. these tasks are very long running.

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Thanks for confirming what I was suspecting. Yes, I blow the intake grid every now and then, and my laptop is in the coldes room in the house with temperature dropping to 10-15 C over night (it's winter in Australia now). But it's still throttling due to high temperature, and I don't want to increase the threshold beyond the current ninety-something degrees...

Surprisingly, the last task, despite taking more than 6 days and missing the deadline, was rewarded. But I wish it could be processed faster to make results timely...

Kind regards,
Vlad.

Laptops generally are not the best for CPU/GPU computing. I don't know if you may already have one but get a decent cooling pad to set your laptop on. The best ones have adjustable fans that can be moved to the correct locations to obtain the best configuration. Also, if you are up to it I would suggest cleaning the internal workings of the laptop and replacing the thermal compound on the CPU and GPU.

Surprisingly, the last task, despite taking more than 6 days and missing the deadline, was rewarded. But I wish it could be processed faster to make results timely...

It has been my experience that if you complete a work unit started before the deadline, but complete it past the deadline, you will receive credit as long as a resend does not return it first. With these new long WU's, it would be tough for a resend to complete before a one in progress already completes.

Surprisingly, the last task, despite taking more than 6 days and missing the deadline, was rewarded. But I wish it could be processed faster to make results timely...

It has been my experience that if you complete a work unit started before the deadline, but complete it past the deadline, you will receive credit as long as a resend does not return it first. With these new long WU's, it would be tough for a resend to complete before a one in progress already completes.

really depends on the relative performance of the systems in question. my 2080tis can knock these tasks out in 12hrs.

if the original task hits a system that will take 6 days to complete, and the resend makes it to me, I will complete it in 12hrs from the 5 day deadline and still beat the original system.

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I joined GPUGrid only a few days ago but have yet to be sent any work. For much of this time, there hasn't been any available but, even when work is available, I haven't been sent any.

I am running on a Windows 10 pc with a 1050ti card. Is it simply the case that I am unpowered for the work that has come up (and so it is not sent to me) or could it be something else? Prime Grid runs without any problems.

Any thoughts welcome.

Apologies in advance if this is not an appropriate thread to raise this - but as I don't have any credit, I couldn't start my own thread.

I joined GPUGrid only a few days ago but have yet to be sent any work. For much of this time, there hasn't been any available but, even when work is available, I haven't been sent any.

Please, consult this FAQ - Acemd3 application general guidelines thread.
Specially paragraphs:
What should I do to receive acemd3-based workunits?
What driver/card/OS combinations are supported?
Your first step would be to upgrade your current unsupported Nvidia v384.76 drivers to a newer supported version.

Edit:
Also take in mind that current extremely long tasks will take about 3 to 4 days to process for a GTX 1050 Ti card working 24/7.

Many thanks.

I updated my drivers as suggested and work has been successfully downloaded.

Even though my PC is on 24/7 it has managed only 10% in the first 24 hours. This means that I will exceed the deadline (which is only four days away) by a very considerable margin.

Should I just abort the task or is there still some merit in letting it finish (in another nine days or so)?

Even though my PC is on 24/7 it has managed only 10% in the first 24 hours

I've recently awakened my GTX 1050 Ti host, and it is currently processing task e7s79_e5s156p1f761-ADRIA_AdB_KIXCMYB_HIP-0-2-RND3813_1.
Its progress is about 33% after 27 hours...
I'm estimating it to finish in a total processing time of about 3 days and 9 hours, well inside its deadline for getting 450.000 credits.
I guess that there is something at your setup slowing down your GTX 1050 Ti performance.
My trick consists of setting Boinc Manager preferences to Use at most 50% of the CPUs on my 4 threads-CPU system.
This way, I ensure that CPU resources are not overcommitted for feeding the GPU at its maximum performance.

I updated my drivers as suggested and work has been successfully downloaded.

Even though my PC is on 24/7 it has managed only 10% in the first 24 hours. This means that I will exceed the deadline (which is only four days away) by a very considerable margin.

Should I just abort the task or is there still some merit in letting it finish (in another nine days or so)?

go ahead and abort the task. There is no merit in having it finished after the deadline. You will not get any credits.