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Message 47507 - Posted: 29 Jun 2017, 14:03:47 UTC

Thank you for your reply, I am considering changing the case for a Corsair Obsidian 900D (15 fans), or waiting for the outside temperature to return to normal (30 ° presently).
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Message 47508 - Posted: 29 Jun 2017, 15:04:54 UTC - in response to Message 47507.  

Thank you for your reply, I am considering changing the case for a Corsair Obsidian 900D (15 fans), or waiting for the outside temperature to return to normal (30 ° presently).

The case with better airflow will do a lot more than a few degree ambient celcius change
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Message 47509 - Posted: 29 Jun 2017, 16:46:58 UTC

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Message 47519 - Posted: 1 Jul 2017, 16:22:16 UTC
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The outside temperature dropped by 10 ° Celsius and I managed to finish a Gpugrid unit.

But your project to another problem, within 5 hours the GpuGrid unit that is being computed on my machine will be terminated, and the GpuGrid server is empty.

As I prefer medical research projects, I will move on to Folding, for an indeterminate period of time.

Maybe I'll come back to your project. But how many users switch to another project, and do not come back to yours?
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Message 47531 - Posted: 5 Jul 2017, 9:07:31 UTC - in response to Message 47519.  

As I prefer medical research projects, I will move on to Folding ...

This I did several days ago with one of my host - the PC with Windows10 and a GTX750Ti inside.

As I wrote in some other postings in the forum, the problem was that since the new crunching software (acmed 918.80) was implemented beginning of April, GPUGRID crunching on this host did not work well any longer.
Probably for several reasons:

- the crunching software is buggy: one in a while, crunching stops, and can only be resumed by manually pausing and then resuming the task (if the task stops in the late evening or during the night, the host runs idle till next morning).

- overclocking is a lot less possible than before. In fact, with the GTX750Ti I even had to underclock - and still crunching stopped once in a while.

- this happens very often with one of the newer, extremely demanding WU's like
ADRIA_FOLDGREED50_crystal_ss_contacts_100_ubiquitin_ (and some others)
Crunching such a WU, with numerous interruptions inbetween, takes up to 3 days, which does not make a lot of sense.

Hence, some time ago, I suggested that a third tier of tasks (like "extra longruns" or so) be introduced in the personal settings page, so that people with cards like a GTX750Ti can exclude such heavy tasks from being downlaoaded.
I also suggested that the buggy software (which had to be put together in a hurry, and was probably optimized for Pascal cards) be improved.
So far, there was NO REACTION AT ALL from the GPUGRID people - no comment, nothing.
As I and others here stated several times: they don't listen to their crunchers; they are not interested in receiving any useful suggestions, in learning about problems the crunchers may face, etc. - which is really too bad. I am wondering how this project will survive longterm.

So, I was simply curious, and with this host (Windows10 and GTX750Ti) I changed to Folding@Home. Just to see whether the same problems show up there as well.
They die NOT! Crunching works smoothly, no interruptions, nothing ...
And questions to the Folding@Home team are being answered within half a day or shorter (BTW - by reading in their forums, I realized that quite a number of people there had changed from GPUGRID to Folding@Home in the past weeks and months - I guess, they wouldn't have done that without reason).

GPUGRID crunching still runs well on my two Windows XP hosts with two GTX980Ti and one GTX750Ti - most likely as the XP crunching software (acemd 849.65) did not need to be optimized for Pascal cards (they don't work with XP).
However, it was already officially announced that this crunching software will only be available until April 2018. This date will then be the end of GPUGRID crunching on XP (which is too bad in a sense as crunching with XP is some 15-20% faster due to the non existing WDDM overhead).
So I am curious what will happen when with my two hosts which now run on XP I change to Windows10. Maybe there will exist an improved software by then. Or maybe not.
In any case, should I face all these problems I am having now with the Windows10 hosts, I can always change to Folding@Home.

At the end, I'd like to repeat what I posted before, after having read it in the forum of another BOINC project:
Of course have happy volunteers is very important for the health of a project so this is something that should be addressed
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Message 47532 - Posted: 5 Jul 2017, 10:31:53 UTC
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I do both FAH and GPUgrid these days; but seems no more work needed here so can also switch all cards back to FAH (there are problems too; at times)

PS: keep in mind that FAH has an upcoming server maintenance day July 6/July 7; given bunkering is not possible you might have some time to cleanup the dust in the systems
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Message 47534 - Posted: 5 Jul 2017, 12:36:47 UTC - in response to Message 47532.  

... FAH (there are problems too; at times)

I guess any project has problems now and then.
However, it makes a difference whether they are being solved within short time or not at all.

I am using part of my CPUs for LHC@Home - and yes, they have (all kinds of) problems about once or even twice a week. However, these problems get solved within a few hours. And when bringing things up in their forum, the team reacts within a few hours.
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Message 47562 - Posted: 10 Jul 2017, 9:47:08 UTC

We are trying to fix the issue with the WUs now
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Message 47563 - Posted: 10 Jul 2017, 10:38:18 UTC - in response to Message 47562.  
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We are trying to fix the issue with the WUs now

Thanks for replying. Which issue are you trying to fix?
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Message 47568 - Posted: 10 Jul 2017, 18:03:08 UTC - in response to Message 47563.  
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Perhaps try linux. No wddm there!
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Message 47569 - Posted: 10 Jul 2017, 19:43:08 UTC

ahhh, the dry period is over; I got again assignments on my linux-based GPUs; thanks for fixing and giving my GPU meaningful work
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Message 47570 - Posted: 10 Jul 2017, 19:45:50 UTC - in response to Message 47568.  

Erich56,
Perhaps try linux. No wddm there!

but, as far as I understand, no SWAN_SYNC possible with Linux :-(
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Message 47571 - Posted: 10 Jul 2017, 21:06:31 UTC - in response to Message 47570.  

Erich56,
Perhaps try linux. No wddm there!

but, as far as I understand, no SWAN_SYNC possible with Linux :-(



Yes that's true. You should try it after support for XP with gpugrid stops. Even with swan_sync on Vista, 7, 8 ,10, I notice it doesn't use as much of the gpu as Linux did for me. For windows 7 I personally get in the 80's WITH swan_sync. Linux, I get in the low to mid 90's. Percent I mean.
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Message 47574 - Posted: 10 Jul 2017, 22:38:02 UTC - in response to Message 47570.  

Erich56,
Perhaps try linux. No wddm there!

but, as far as I understand, no SWAN_SYNC possible with Linux :-(


That's because it's not needed in Linux. ;)
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Message 47614 - Posted: 15 Jul 2017, 15:39:28 UTC

Some time back (couple of months) I was processing WU's like crazy. I received notice that GPUGRD was moving to a new server - we'll be right back. I've never received another WU.
Linux, GTX770

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Message 47615 - Posted: 15 Jul 2017, 20:48:53 UTC - in response to Message 47614.  
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Some time back (couple of months) I was processing WU's like crazy. I received notice that GPUGRD was moving to a new server - we'll be right back. I've never received another WU.
Linux, GTX770

tks


You need to upgrade to latest drivers and then you should get WU's
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Message 47666 - Posted: 23 Jul 2017, 15:23:18 UTC - in response to Message 47363.  

What happened between 21st & 22nd of April? (actually a month before this date)


Apologies for being late to the party. Assuming boincstats are accurate (and noticing other projects are losing active hosts and users as well) the Win10 Creator's Edition update must have occurred around that time. That certainly broke some hosts.

Number continues to fall :(

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Message 47667 - Posted: 23 Jul 2017, 15:27:06 UTC - in response to Message 47666.  

Let's not blame a Windows Update unless we have proof, please.
I'm a Windows Insider, and routinely run Windows 10 Fast Ring, with no problems regarding GPUGrid.
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Message 47673 - Posted: 23 Jul 2017, 17:17:16 UTC - in response to Message 47666.  

What happened between 21st & 22nd of April? (actually a month before this date)

Apologies for being late to the party. Assuming boincstats are accurate (and noticing other projects are losing active hosts and users as well) the Win10 Creator's Edition update must have occurred around that time. That certainly broke some hosts.
The Creator's update is not a mandatory update (yet), and it is distributed over a long period of time. I think that those who forced this update could also manage those problems which could prevent GPUGrid from working correctly; if the problems persist they could even revert back to the previous version. The only issue I've faced after updating to the Creator's update is that the Windows Search broke down in Outlook; but it turned out later that it wasn't the Creator's update (as the error showed up on not updated PCs). So my experiences do not support this explanation.

Number continues to fall :(
No, the number of active GPUGrid users is fluctuates around 1800 since two weeks. I think it will rise again in September.
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Message 47676 - Posted: 23 Jul 2017, 21:57:54 UTC - in response to Message 47673.  

When I installed the Creator's update, I had to re-install NVidia's driver to get CUDA and OpenCL support back. Just re-ran the installer for the driver I'd downloaded already and had been using before the update.
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