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Message 46083 - Posted: 6 Jan 2017, 0:31:47 UTC - in response to Message 46082.  

But you might be right. Perhaps these cards should not be used for computing, if they are not so power efficient, and other cards out there can do the same job. I can accept that, if it is the official position. It could be nice though to tell me that. Although I thought that the laptop one was a bit more power-efficient.
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Message 46084 - Posted: 6 Jan 2017, 1:09:29 UTC
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But I see 12979 long tasks, and 0 short tasks at GPUGrid.


Well, now that you say it... no, they don't have any short task in the queue at present ... but yes, they surely should. We crunchers unfortunately don't have any influence on it, though.

Perhaps these cards should not be used for computing, if they are not so power efficient, and other cards out there can do the same job. I can accept that, if it is the official position.


no, that was just my personal impression. That is up to you how much time and electricity cost you are willing to donate. Anyway, every contribution is highly appreciated, whatever the amount.

I am not buying hardware for crunching somebody else's data


Well... I invite you to see it from another angle. In case the GPUGRID researchers can contribute to a cure for Alzheimer in a couple of years ... and (purely hypothetical) your parents or spouse can get cured because of it, all of a sudden it becomes your data to some extent.

pissed off by the crazy gridcoiners


Besides, I dont believe in Gridcoin too. (But I dont condemn it wholesale on the other hand) I just believe in a good cause which GPUGRID, WCG or F@H unquestionably are. And I have purchased damn expensive hardware just to cheerish the illusion of making a difference and taking a turn to the better.

And yes, I am crazy and totally nuts indeed. <:O)
As many of us, who burn power costs every month for virtual badges and hopes. No doubt we are. ;-))
I would love to see HCF1 protein folding and interaction simulations to help my little boy... someday.
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Message 46085 - Posted: 6 Jan 2017, 2:57:45 UTC - in response to Message 46084.  

I am just saying that the problem would not be there at all, if the long tasks were just a bit shorter. well, maybe they just calculated shorter tasks not being efficient due to download/upload bandwidth or domain problem granularity, it's ok.

anyway, does anybody compute the number of power plants required for the electricity that all this fun actually consumes?
- just for the case someone's parents will not be taken by a very heavy storm due to extra rapid climate change caused by environmental impact too high.

may be it is time to leave the club. I mostly used it instead of heating in the winter anyway.
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Message 46087 - Posted: 6 Jan 2017, 8:55:50 UTC

just for the case someone's parents will not be taken by a very heavy storm due to extra rapid climate change caused by environmental impact too high.


I was being serious. My son suffers from muscle weakness and therefore protein folding research and finding a cure is a desirable goal to me. I cannot do anything your sarcasm. Maybe you will think different too sometime when you get older.

may be it is time to leave the club. I mostly used it instead of heating in the winter anyway.


Sounds like a plan.
I would love to see HCF1 protein folding and interaction simulations to help my little boy... someday.
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Message 46096 - Posted: 6 Jan 2017, 22:57:21 UTC - in response to Message 46085.  

anyway, does anybody compute the number of power plants required for the electricity that all this fun actually consumes?
- just for the case someone's parents will not be taken by a very heavy storm due to extra rapid climate change caused by environmental impact too high.

Navigare necesse est.
Why do you pick on the guys using cutting edge technologies to advance science? We don't have anything better for this purpose, there's no other way (for now) to do this kind of research.
We use many obsolete devices (cars, fuel fossil power plants, etc) for our everyday activities, which have a much greater (adverse) impact on our environment. We take part in many everyday activities which consume enormous amount of energy without making any progress in human civilization (think of any mega entertainment/sports event for example). You'd better complain on their forums about extra rapid climate change.
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Message 46098 - Posted: 7 Jan 2017, 0:38:36 UTC - in response to Message 46096.  

anyway, does anybody compute the number of power plants required for the electricity that all this fun actually consumes?
- just for the case someone's parents will not be taken by a very heavy storm due to extra rapid climate change caused by environmental impact too high.

Navigare necesse est.
Why do you pick on the guys using cutting edge technologies to advance science? We don't have anything better for this purpose, there's no other way (for now) to do this kind of research.
We use many obsolete devices (cars, fuel fossil power plants, etc) for our everyday activities, which have a much greater (adverse) impact on our environment. We take part in many everyday activities which consume enormous amount of energy without making any progress in human civilization (think of any mega entertainment/sports event for example). You'd better complain on their forums about extra rapid climate change.

+1 -- I'll drink to that (at least if the beer is made in a solar powered brewery). ;-)
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Message 46104 - Posted: 7 Jan 2017, 20:15:10 UTC - in response to Message 46098.  

Sounds like a plan.


Oukay. Been there, done that.

Why do you pick on the guys using cutting edge technologies to advance science?


Don't try to be too funny. :-) Brute-force has never been a cutting edge technology.
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Message 46105 - Posted: 7 Jan 2017, 21:45:18 UTC - in response to Message 46104.  
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Why do you pick on the guys using cutting edge technologies to advance science?

Don't try to be too funny. :-) Brute-force has never been a cutting edge technology.
It is immature to imply that you know better what cutting edge technology is, but you don't actually tell it to us. This way you can avoid that we could have a dialogue, which is obviously your goal.
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Message 46110 - Posted: 9 Jan 2017, 17:02:22 UTC

I just logged in to post on this subject and found that a discussion already existed...

I apologize for the repetition, but please allow more time for long tasks.

I did manage to finish the last one, but I'm not sure about the current one. I had disabled the long tasks but then I didn't get any tasks at all, so I set it to long if nothing else available.

Thanks!
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Message 46116 - Posted: 9 Jan 2017, 23:45:52 UTC

I'm crunching with GT740M of my notebook. Long runs take more than three days. As long as I'm at home I leave my notebook crunch long runs. But when I go somewhere with my notebook I have to stop crunching. Otherwise, not only Gpugrid works won't finish but also I'll have wasted energy. Also short run queue is empty most of the time. So I prefer long runs...
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Message 46132 - Posted: 10 Jan 2017, 20:38:33 UTC - in response to Message 46105.  

> It is immature to imply that you know better what
> cutting edge technology is, but you don't actually
> tell it to us.

Well I am not sure what immature implications you are making, but it's not hard to guess, my boy. Pretty much anything else than brute-force is better than that.
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Message 46282 - Posted: 23 Jan 2017, 17:35:48 UTC

SDOERR_BNB jobs can't finish on my GT740M at time. And project doesn't give short units. Currently project is disabled and I'm heating the GPU with some Seti jobs...
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Message 46327 - Posted: 26 Jan 2017, 5:10:10 UTC
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First, I'd like to say that I really like supporting GPUGRID as a project. The team publishes results. Also, it seems so many other distributed (grid) computing projects are in theoretical math or in astronomy. I LIKE supporting a project which we can hope will improve human health down the road.

I have a pretty modest GPU (GT 640**) compared to many GPUGRID hosts. However, I have been averaging right at 11 WU a month (almost every single one long-run). Also, I imagine that I am far from unique... that there are many BOINC volunteers 'out there' who have a more modest system (not costing a grand or more, and with no external power supply.)
I appreciate that timely turn-around is important, but there is no other BOINC project of which I am aware with such a short time-out limit on WUs (I am active in 15 projects, not counting several which have by now ended). Ten to 20 days is pretty typically the time limit. SETI has a time limit of over 5 weeks.
So, my question: Is GPUGRID snubbing potential BOINC volunteers who have, say, a GeForce, but not a Titan or whatever?

Thanks.
LLP, PhD PE

** Some 6 years ago, I had a system with a 530. A couple of years later, I upgraded to a 640... I didn't go for more so as to keep my expense to under $100, AND not to have to buy an external power supply.
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Message 46815 - Posted: 2 Apr 2017, 21:48:40 UTC

I just stopped running this project due to this issue.

The short runs are fine, but I can't complete all the long runs.

If there were a steady supply of short runs, I'd be ok, but there's not. So either I (a) crunch a long run for 4 days, go over the deadline, and end up wasting my effort, or (b) sit idle most of the time waiting for short runs to show up.

No thanks, I'll check back later down the road when/if I get better hardware.
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