You didn't get my sarcasm.
If you think that the "spying" in Windows 10 is an illegal activity from Microsoft's part then sue them for it in court. You'll loose that case.
I can recall that the same accusation has been made when Windows 7 was released (so Windows 7 also does "phone home").

So, by that logic because everyone/everything else is already spying on us Microsoft should be able to join in...

In one word: yes. This is because the market has changed so much by the mobile devices (and their "spying" features), that Microsoft have to change their licensing policy / fees to it.

...without your knowledge or consent...

That basically means that nobody reads the end user license agreement, right?

... and charge you monthly for it? If that works for you have at it. I say NFW. And I hope you're not gullible enough to believe monthly fees won't eventually happen to all versions of 10.

Microsoft Confirms Windows 10 New Monthly Charge

This is FUD, as it applies only for cloud services (namely Office 365 and Azure - both provided for a fee before) integrated into the Enterprise edition. So the fee is *not* for the OS.
Quote from the article you've linked:

That cost will be $7 per user per month but the good news is it only applies to enterprises, for now. The new pricing tier will be called “Windows 10 Enterprise E3” and it means Windows has finally joined Office 365 and Azure as a subscription service.

BTW Windows 10 is not free. It costs the same as the previous versions. Only the upgrade from the previous versions is free, but this opportunity will end in 29th July. But it's also clearly stated in the article you've linked.

I can recall that the same accusation has been made when Windows 7 was released (so Windows 7 also does "phone home").

It can be completely disabled in 7. Not in 8, 8.1 or 10.

So, by that logic because everyone/everything else is already spying on us Microsoft should be able to join in without your knowledge or consent and charge you monthly for it? If that works for you have at it. I say NFW. And I hope you're not gullible enough to believe monthly fees won't eventually happen to all versions of 10.

You must have missed the highlighted part.

So, by that logic because everyone/everything else is already spying on us Microsoft should be able to join in without your knowledge or consent

Why didn't you quote the whole sentence. If you want to let MS spy on you that's your choice. My choice is NFW. Just like I block google, yahoo and all the rest.

If you think that the "spying" in Windows 10 is an illegal activity from Microsoft's part then sue them for it in court. You'll loose that case.

So now you're an expert on US law? I don't know about your country but it is illegal in the US without consent. MS has already been sued and lost for illegal and non-consent upgrades. Now that there has been precedent set there will be more coming, you can bet on it.

Microsoft pays woman $10,000 over forced Windows 10 upgrade

Thousands of computers made useless because of Windows 10”

If you think that the "spying" in Windows 10 is an illegal activity from Microsoft's part then sue them for it in court. You'll loose that case.

Quite right. You are handing them the loaded gun, and even paying for them to use it. That is why I think the objections to the NSA's "spying" on us are rather quaint. They aren't interested in you social life, only in patterns of contacts to terrorists. You give away far more of you personal life with the above-mentioned social media apps.

This is so far off topic that if skgiven wants to delete it, I won't complain, but just had to say it.

And I hope you're not gullible enough to believe monthly fees won't eventually happen to all versions of 10.

You must have missed the highlighted part.

I didn't miss it, I consider it as a statement to cause Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.
Microsoft won't charge you monthly for that OS which you've already licensed once. I'm not an expert on US law :), but I think it's illegal to take away your vested rights, and charging for the possibility to use something you've already have the right to use would be considered as doing so.

If you think that the "spying" in Windows 10 is an illegal activity from Microsoft's part then sue them for it in court. You'll loose that case.

So now you're an expert on US law? I don't know about your country but it is illegal in the US without consent. MS has already been sued and lost for illegal and non-consent upgrades. Now that there has been precedent set there will be more coming, you can bet on it.
Microsoft pays woman $10,000 over forced Windows 10 upgrade

That "update to Windows 10" dialog box is a really nasty one, as both buttons in it approve the update, and you have to close the dialog box to avoid the update, so it was quite easy to prove it's misleading. They've deserved to loose that case. The precedent established by the sentence of that case can't be applied to the "spying", as you have to prove that the data transmitted to MS is outside the regulations of the EULA (for example it should contain any kind of personal data).

Thousands of computers made useless because of Windows 10”

That's actually good news, as about 350 million have been updated successfully. Based on my personal experience (I've updated about 100 PCs, desktops and notebooks), if anything goes wrong with the update it's hardware related (bad RAM modules, or inappropriate BIOS)

Note: This is my last post about this in the GTX 1070 thread.

And I hope you're not gullible enough to believe monthly fees won't eventually happen to all versions of 10.

Microsoft Confirms Windows 10 New Monthly Charge

I agree. From the Forbes article:

"Consequently there will have to be a cut off point somewhere, sometime – mostly likely when Microsoft feels Windows 10 is at the ‘Windows 11’ stage of development.

At that point I suspect Microsoft may simplify things and just rename it ‘Windows’. Here is when all Windows pricing could become subscription only given even upfront costs would expire at some point and become a messy marketing exercise."

As someone who's dealt with MS and watched their antics since the beginning, I suspect that once they've gotten a majority of users to convert to Windows 10 there'll be a name change and the other shoe will drop. The subscription model is embedded in the OS, knowing MS it would be uncharacteristic if they didn't make the most of it. What do you think their motivation is for offering the limited time "free" update and all the antics they've pulled to deceive people into unwittingly "upgrading" to W10?

Personally hope to be able to move to Linux before too long and certainly before Win7 ends support. For mobile computing I already have: Chromebooks, which are all running folding@home in their spare time. In fact all my f@h credits are via Chromebooks.

My main complaint about Windows 10 was that you couldn't stop the driver updates. But in the latest version, you apparently can. They just call it "manufacturers' apps" rather than "drivers", but seems otherwise the same.

On the one dedicated crunching machine that I have converted to Win10, I don't want even the monthly updates, since they have a bad habit of hanging up on reboots. So I just disable the Background Intelligent Transfer Service. The other machines stay on Win7 or go to Ubuntu 16.04.

On the one dedicated crunching machine that I have converted to Win10, I don't want even the monthly updates, since they have a bad habit of hanging up on reboots. So I just disable the Background Intelligent Transfer Service.

I think it's a better idea to disable the "Windows Update" service for that purpose.

The other machines stay on Win7 or go to Ubuntu 16.04.

If you want to stay on Windows 7 and you're planning to use that PC for more than 3 years, it's practical to update to Windows 10, and after the successful update (check if Windows 10 is activated) immediately revert back to Windows 7 (you can do it for 31 days after the update). In this way your PC will have a Windows 10 license, so when the support for Windows 7 ends 3 years from now, you can install Windows 10 without purchasing a license key. The best practice is to use a spare HDD/SSD for this process, in this case you can keep your current Windows 7 untouched. Do a fresh install of Windows 7 on the spare HDD/SSD (you have to install the network drivers), then update it to Windows 10, and store the spare in a safe place (or you can erase it, as you can reinstall Windows 10 any time once your config has obtained a license during the update).

Linux (and Windows XP) is a better choice for crunching, as they don't have the WDDM overhead, thus these OSes can crunch faster on GPUs (especially on high-end GPUs).

If you want to stay on Windows 7 and you're planning to use that PC for more than 3 years, it's practical to update to Windows 10, and after the successful update (check if Windows 10 is activated) immediately revert back to Windows 7 (you can do it for 31 days after the update). In this way your PC will have a Windows 10 license, so when the support for Windows 7 ends 3 years from now, you can install Windows 10 without purchasing a license key.

Yes, I am thinking along similar lines, since I might want to use those machines for desktop purposes eventually, and they would be better off with Win10 at that point. But I can just leave them on Win10 after the conversion; with enough doctoring up, they will work as well as Win7 for my purposes. And I could convert them to Ubuntu if I need more Linux support. But Windows is still best for some projects, and it is easier to get VirtualBox running on it, for those projects that need it.

Guys, please back to topic!

Entire hard disks could be filled with the internet arguments about Win 10 / Linux / Other Win etc. Not all of them are as good as this one, but in any way it's clear that the fronts are pretty hardened. And whatever we say here won't change the views of either side much. And please, no speculation among the lines "I know MS and expect them to do the worst".. this doesn't help at all, as it will sometimes be true but mostly false.

MrS

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Guys, please back to topic!

OK.
We need GPUGrid to support the Pascal GPUs now!
Am I being on topic in the right way? :)
Too bad, that there's no blinking fonts.
I think I should make an animgif.

Don't think anyone of consequence is there, summer holidays.

Don't think anyone of consequence is there, summer holidays.

I will be in summer holidays from 19th July to 29th July.
We'll be near to Barcelona, so we might want to drop in and say hello, then hold the crew captive while they do upgrade the app :)
It's too bad that this plan is busted by that there's nobody in the lab who could be held captive.

Don't think anyone of consequence is there, summer holidays.

I will be in summer holidays from 19th July to 29th July.
We'll be near to Barcelona, so we might want to drop in and say hello, then hold the crew captive while they do upgrade the app :)
It's too bad that this plan is busted by that there's nobody in the lab who could be held captive.

What you could do is convert all their Linux boxes to Windows 10 :-)
Sorry, I'm weak...

Zoltan, remember to bring your Pascal GPU with you - otherwise they won't be able to do much :p

The GTX1060 should be released soon and might be more suitable as "Pascal prototype development vehicle" because it's cheaper and its availability might be better (smaller chip, later introduction, no GDDR5X -> they can get many more from TSMC).

MrS

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Zoltan, remember to bring your Pascal GPU with you - otherwise they won't be able to do much :p

I will bring all of my cards with me. While they put the Pascal in the test config, I block all the exits with my obsolete cards. :)

That's dedication :)

MrS

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There are a lot of post about which Windows X is better.. I'm too lazy to read all of this... but thanks for picture.. :-)

My initial question was about Nvidia 1070/1080 support. Does it now make sense to allow GPUgrid tasks on it (beta flag set in account settings)?

Currently, my 1070 is running Seti@home tasks. Whenever the project is ready, I'll switch it back to GPUgrid.

cheers,
Georg

Does it now make sense to allow GPUgrid tasks on it (beta flag set in account settings)?

No.

You could also run POEM (some other biological research) or Einstein (gravitational wave and pulsar detection.. their BOINC project already found well over 200 of those) on your Pascal GPU.

MrS

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Alright.. good idea, I let it run for POEM until GPUgrid is ready.

Thanks,
Georg