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Message 43508 - Posted: 23 May 2016, 16:18:07 UTC
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:) R364 has been all over the board, in types of problems, for some users, including me. I'm expecting R368 in the next week or so, to fix most of the issues, while introducing new ones!

EDIT: Apparently R368 was released 3 hours ago. Time to test!
EDIT 2: Apparently, it is R367 actually, with a version of 368.22. Fun!
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Message 43525 - Posted: 24 May 2016, 15:09:22 UTC

Download NVIDIA Driver 368.22
Release Date : 2016.05.23

Prior to a new title launching, our driver team is working up until the last minute to ensure every performance tweak and bug fix possible makes it into the Game Ready driver. As a result, you can be sure you’ll have the best day-1 gaming experience for your favorite new titles.

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Message 43535 - Posted: 25 May 2016, 0:19:16 UTC
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What I've seen so far indicates that 368.22 fixes the problems (including one CUDA problem) if it will install properly - but the installation fails on some hardware/Windows combinations in a way that makes the computer unbootable.

It installed properly on my Windows 10 computer and is running without errors.

However, on my Windows Vista computer (Intel Q9650 CPU, GTX 560, 8 GB memory, 64-bit Windows Vista SP1), the screen went black perhaps halfway through the installation, and stayed that way until I turned off the computer about an hour later. Attempting to reinstall 362.00 ended with messages that newer versions of some parts were already present, and were not changed. The computer has gone downhill over another 6 hours and now will not boot, either normally or in safe mode. While I was still able to run the hardware diagnostics, they reported no errors. System Restore will not run.

I've already reported this to Nvidia, but can any of you suggest what to do to make that computer run properly again?
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Message 43536 - Posted: 25 May 2016, 0:46:39 UTC - in response to Message 43535.  

While I was still able to run the hardware diagnostics, they reported no errors. System Restore will not run.

I've already reported this to Nvidia, but can any of you suggest what to do to make that computer run properly again?

Did you do a CHKDSK? It looks like a disk drive failure to me. It may be that the driver problem corrupted the disk, but in either case you may have to re-install your OS.
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Message 43537 - Posted: 25 May 2016, 0:49:33 UTC - in response to Message 43535.  

What I've seen so far indicates that 368.22 fixes the problems (including one CUDA problem) if it will install properly - but the installation fails on some hardware/Windows combinations in a way that makes the computer unbootable.

It installed properly on my Windows 10 computer and is running without errors.

However, on my Windows Vista computer (Intel Q9650 CPU, GTX 560, 8 GB memory, 64-bit Windows Vista SP1), the screen went black perhaps halfway through the installation, and stayed that way until I turned off the computer about an hour later. Attempting to reinstall 362.00 ended with messages that newer versions of some parts were already present, and were not changed. The computer has gone downhill over another 6 hours and now will not boot, either normally or in safe mode. While I was still able to run the hardware diagnostics, they reported no errors. System Restore will not run.

I've already reported this to Nvidia, but can any of you suggest what to do to make that computer run properly again?


See my reply here:
http://boinc.fzk.de/poem/forum_thread.php?id=1205&postid=11079

368.22 does not support Vista. 365.19 is the latest Vista driver.
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Message 43538 - Posted: 25 May 2016, 1:16:41 UTC - in response to Message 43537.  
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See my reply here:
http://boinc.fzk.de/poem/forum_thread.php?id=1205&postid=11079

368.22 does not support Vista. 365.19 is the latest Vista driver.

This seems like another large NVidia FAIL. If the drivers don't support Vista, the installation program should not continue.

Sorry Robert, if you don't have a backup you may need to reinstall Windows, in which case you might want to try either a newer Windows version or perhaps Linux if you want some challenge in your life.
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Message 43539 - Posted: 25 May 2016, 1:18:42 UTC

I agree completely.
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Message 43540 - Posted: 25 May 2016, 2:29:48 UTC
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My backup device hasn't worked for the last few years. My last usable backups appear to be from 2010.

I've been trying Cygwin under Windows as a way to start trying Linux; it still looks rather difficult to do much.

I don't have a usable way to take it to Windows 10 quickly, but do have a set of DVDs to upgrade to Windows 7 Ultimate. I might try that if it allows me to put Windows 7 on a separate hard drive that is almost ready to install.

I've decided that Windows 10 has very poor methods for finding programs that do not happen to be in a reasonable place on the Start menu.
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Message 43541 - Posted: 25 May 2016, 3:05:48 UTC - in response to Message 43540.  

I don't have a usable way to take it to Windows 10 quickly, but do have a set of DVDs to upgrade to Windows 7 Ultimate. I might try that if it allows me to put Windows 7 on a separate hard drive that is almost ready to install.

You could start from a Linux boot disk and try deleting whatever NVidia files you find, try Hiren's boot disk:

http://downloads.tomsguide.com/Hiren-s-Boot-CD,0301-51033.html

https://sourceforge.net/projects/hirenscd2bootableusb/

There's lots of recovery options and utilities on the above startup disk/USB. Since you have a Win 7 DVD, that might also be a good option. Win 7 is about as good as Windows gets IMO. Didn't like 8, 8.1 was a bit better, not enthusiastic about 10.
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Message 43544 - Posted: 25 May 2016, 9:04:01 UTC - in response to Message 43540.  
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I've decided that Windows 10 has very poor methods for finding programs that do not happen to be in a reasonable place on the Start menu.
There are two ways to circumvent this:
1. click on the start icon, then immediately type in the name of the application you're looking for.
1a Click on all applications on the bottom of the start menu, and then scroll down
If you right click on the icon of the app, you can pin/unpin it to the start menu. You can resize the start menu by grabbing its border.
2. create a shortcut on your desktop to "C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs"
you can pin this location to the quick access
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Message 43552 - Posted: 25 May 2016, 10:28:56 UTC

Robert, you may be able to perform a Repair Installation on Vista if you have a Vista media disk.
http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/88236-repair-install-vista.html
You might also be able to boot to a W7 disk and use some of the disk tools or commands to check for problems, or just boot to a command prompt and delete what you can of the driver.

You might also want to try removing and reinserting the GPU:
Turn the system off, remove the GPU, start up the system, let it fail. Turn it off again and then insert the GPU. When it boots up again it might detect the GPU and install default display drivers or prompt for the drivers.
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Message 43553 - Posted: 25 May 2016, 10:50:39 UTC - in response to Message 43535.  

I've already reported this to Nvidia, but can any of you suggest what to do to make that computer run properly again?
You should try to press F8 (repeatedly) at system startup, right after the BIOS passes the boot to the OS.
Then you should select the "Enable VGA mode" or something similar.
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Message 43555 - Posted: 25 May 2016, 10:59:12 UTC - in response to Message 43540.  
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My backup device hasn't worked for the last few years. My last usable backups appear to be from 2010.

I've been trying Cygwin under Windows as a way to start trying Linux; it still looks rather difficult to do much.

I don't have a usable way to take it to Windows 10 quickly, but do have a set of DVDs to upgrade to Windows 7 Ultimate. I might try that if it allows me to put Windows 7 on a separate hard drive that is almost ready to install.

I've decided that Windows 10 has very poor methods for finding programs that do not happen to be in a reasonable place on the Start menu.


One other option is to look for a 'Restore Point', that should get you back up and running to the last time your pc was actually working. You may have to go into Safe Mode to do that though.

Once you get something working, in Windows, look for the backup program Macrium Reflect, it lets you do free backups on a schedule. I use it on all of my pc's and do every pc every month that way. I have a hard drive hooked up to one of my pc's and thru simple networking all my pc's back up to that one drive.
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Message 43560 - Posted: 25 May 2016, 12:37:47 UTC - in response to Message 43535.  

... and now will not boot, either normally or in safe mode.

Robert did say he's tried to boot in safe mode but that it wouldn't start.

I presumed he tried all the likely options but if Safe Mode only was tried I would try Last Known Good Configuration next and then Zoltan's suggestion - it's the one people forget to try, "Enable low resolution-video (640 X 480)". If it boots, uninstall/hack out the failed driver and install a working version, clearing the registry.



BTW Robert, Windows 7 Ultimate to W10 wasn't a free update last time I checked!
Ultimate is considered the Enterprise version, so you would have to pay for the upgrade.
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Message 43561 - Posted: 25 May 2016, 12:56:42 UTC - in response to Message 43560.  
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.. and now will not boot, either normally or in safe mode.

Robert did say he's tried to boot in safe mode but that it wouldn't start.

I presumed he tried all the likely options but if Safe Mode only was tried I would try Last Known Good Configuration next and then Zoltan's suggestion - it's the one people forget to try, "Enable low resolution-video (640 X 480)". If it boots, uninstall/hack out the failed driver and install a working version, clearing the registry.


"Last Known" is a good suggestion. As are the "VGA-only" or "Low-resolution safe mode" options. If he has access to those, he should try them, in order to then run DDU.


BTW Robert, Windows 7 Ultimate to W10 wasn't a free update last time I checked!
Ultimate is considered the Enterprise version, so you would have to pay for the upgrade.

Incorrect.

See here, for lots of upgrade FAQ info:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/upgrade-to-windows-10-faq

...including:
What edition of Windows will I get as part of the free upgrade?
Windows 7 Ultimate --> Windows 10 Pro
The free upgrade offer to Windows 10 will end on July 29, 2016.
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Message 43564 - Posted: 25 May 2016, 13:07:07 UTC - in response to Message 43552.  

Robert, you may be able to perform a Repair Installation on Vista if you have a Vista media disk.
http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/88236-repair-install-vista.html
You might also be able to boot to a W7 disk and use some of the disk tools or commands to check for problems, or just boot to a command prompt and delete what you can of the driver.

You might also want to try removing and reinserting the GPU:
Turn the system off, remove the GPU, start up the system, let it fail. Turn it off again and then insert the GPU. When it boots up again it might detect the GPU and install default display drivers or prompt for the drivers.


That link calls for steps that require preparing a DVD on the Vista system you want to repair. Since it will not boot, that cannot be done.

I found the Vista media disk. I tried everything it offers that does not require losing all my data. None of it appeared to help, but I'm now able to boot to a command prompt, which did not work before.

I'll see what the W7 upgrade disk offers later.

Do you mean removing and reinserting just the GPU, or the whole graphics board?
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Message 43565 - Posted: 25 May 2016, 13:13:52 UTC - in response to Message 43560.  

BTW Robert, Windows 7 Ultimate to W10 wasn't a free update last time I checked!
Ultimate is considered the Enterprise version, so you would have to pay for the upgrade.

Ultimate is not the same licensing as enterprise. Ultimate should be a free upgrade to Windows 10 (with valid key), Enterprise is not (so far). Ultimate is a consumer product, Enterprise is supposed to be only for large corporate accounts.
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Message 43570 - Posted: 25 May 2016, 15:40:35 UTC - in response to Message 43565.  

My bad, there is no Ultimate version of W10 and thus you can't update to that but you can to W10 Pro. The Enterprise update (business range) is available if you have Software Assurance (or similar/whatever they may call it now).

One thing I can hopefully advise on correctly is that if you try to update straight onto new hardware (say you replace the HDD with a SSD and try to use the W7/W8.1 key) it will likely fail and you may need to reactivate your W7/8.1 key again before trying again. Better to keep existing hardware, update and activate W10 before changing the hardware (changing a drive might require you to install W10 again, but once W10 has been activated you can do this as many times as you need).

Back to the topic,
No issues with 368.22 Beta since it's been installed and the computer restarted, however the start menu didn't work properly immediately after the installation (which was a driver update rather than clean install). As with an earlier beta when I went to restart after installing the drivers I couldn't click on menu items, such as Power, Restart.
Used shutdown /r from a command prompt - just in case anyone experiences that problem.
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Message 43571 - Posted: 25 May 2016, 15:46:03 UTC - in response to Message 43560.  

... and now will not boot, either normally or in safe mode.

Robert did say he's tried to boot in safe mode but that it wouldn't start.

I presumed he tried all the likely options but if Safe Mode only was tried I would try Last Known Good Configuration next and then Zoltan's suggestion - it's the one people forget to try, "Enable low resolution-video (640 X 480)". If it boots, uninstall/hack out the failed driver and install a working version, clearing the registry.


One of the programs I ran from the installation DVD that tried to do a repair and SAID that it wasn't able to do anything actually restored my ability to do normal boots, and safe mode boots with command prompt.

Geforce Experience now says that the currently installed driver is 362.00 and offers to install 365.19.

I'll try to start BOINC and see if it agrees that 362.00 is installed, before I make any other changes.
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Message 43572 - Posted: 25 May 2016, 15:46:18 UTC - in response to Message 43570.  

One thing I can hopefully advise on correctly is that if you try to update straight onto new hardware (say you replace the HDD with a SSD and try to use the W7/W8.1 key) it will likely fail and you may need to reactivate your W7/8.1 key again before trying again. Better to keep existing hardware, update and activate W10 before changing the hardware (changing a drive might require you to install W10 again, but once W10 has been activated you can do this as many times as you need).
Theoretically the 2nd release of Windows 10 (November 2015. aka v1511) accepts the product key of the corresponding previous versions, but only until the free upgrade period ends.
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