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Message 39603 - Posted: 23 Jan 2015, 0:34:03 UTC

I have two of these running on my GTX 680 host, it will take 28 hours and 40 minutes for the faster (1200MHz) card to finish.
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Message 39604 - Posted: 23 Jan 2015, 1:37:20 UTC

Is a intel i3 with a gtx 660 fast enough?
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Message 39605 - Posted: 23 Jan 2015, 2:13:28 UTC

Frustrating. I have THREE GTX 780ti SC and not even one very long WU. Aborted several long run WU to see if I could get just one and nothing.
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Message 39606 - Posted: 23 Jan 2015, 2:20:33 UTC

aborted about 30 - no luck in getting the rare ones for 970.
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Message 39608 - Posted: 23 Jan 2015, 4:24:55 UTC - in response to Message 39575.  

Is GTX 970M fast enough to compute this project?
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Message 39610 - Posted: 23 Jan 2015, 7:07:31 UTC - in response to Message 39575.  

Looks like 16.5 hours here! YAY!
1 Corinthians 9:16 "For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!"
Ephesians 6:18-20, please ;-)
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Message 39613 - Posted: 23 Jan 2015, 9:06:28 UTC

Well, I don´t care if I don´t get these WU´s.. It´s ok when I can spend the little things too, it´s for Science. :)

Happy Crunching Guys! :)
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Message 39616 - Posted: 23 Jan 2015, 9:25:42 UTC
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Please don't cancel any more WUs to get them! I checked and they are already all taken at this point so only if they fail on some machines will they get added to the queue again. They are only a single step so they are not coming back.
I agree with Retvari that it's not a good idea to put them on the long queue. We will discuss about queues and how to organize them better.
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Message 39617 - Posted: 23 Jan 2015, 9:32:16 UTC

It looks like my GTX 980 will finish this very long workunit in 15 hours and 40 minutes. It's 2.5 hours shorter than the estimated running time of the GTX 780Ti. These workunits has low memory controller load (29-31% on my GTX980@3.5GHz, 11% on my GTX780Ti@3.5GHz, 24% on my GTX780Ti@2.9GHz).
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Message 39618 - Posted: 23 Jan 2015, 9:39:51 UTC - in response to Message 39604.  

Is a intel i3 with a gtx 660 fast enough?

According to my estimation your host will finish in 2 days 5 hours and 20 minutes, so it fast enough to finish before the deadline, but not fast enough to earn bonus for returning the result within 2 days.
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Message 39619 - Posted: 23 Jan 2015, 11:53:09 UTC

I have one on a GTX980. 43% complete after 11 hours.
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Message 39620 - Posted: 23 Jan 2015, 12:26:53 UTC - in response to Message 39616.  

Please don't cancel any more WUs to get them! I checked and they are already all taken at this point so only if they fail on some machines will they get added to the queue again. They are only a single step so they are not coming back.
I agree with Retvari that it's not a good idea to put them on the long queue. We will discuss about queues and how to organize them better.


Gerard never asked anyone to ABORT WU's to get their hands on one of these long WU's.
While you may agree with Retvari he was the first to post that he had ABORTED other WU's for no other reason than to get one of these on a particular card. His warning was a "Self Fulfilling Prophecy" and others followed.
Maybe Retvari decided that these units gave more credits and a place on the "Performance" tab and were more important than other scientists WU's. In addition, he might of thought he deserved more of them than anyone else.
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Message 39621 - Posted: 23 Jan 2015, 13:25:16 UTC - in response to Message 39620.  
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Gerard never asked anyone to ABORT WU's to get their hands on one of these long WU's.
While you may agree with Retvari he was the first to post that he had ABORTED other WU's for no other reason than to get one of these on a particular card. His warning was a "Self Fulfilling Prophecy" and others followed.

It is quite insulting to others actually, that you are saying they couldn't figure it out without my "advice".

Maybe Retvari decided that these units gave more credits and a place on the "Performance" tab and were more important than other scientists WU's. In addition, he might of thought he deserved more of them than anyone else.

I'm just a human. Sorry. I made mistakes. But I really like to help other people learn from my mistakes, especially those which were induced by their mistakes.
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Message 39622 - Posted: 23 Jan 2015, 14:07:48 UTC

Started the VL WU's early this morning while grabbing a cup of coffee. One WU only used around 60% of the Titan(May have misread, it was early :)). Currently running them concurrently and achieved 75-80 percent utilization.

Boinc is estimating 7.5 hours. Will check during lunch and see what progress is made in around 5 hrs.
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Message 39623 - Posted: 23 Jan 2015, 14:16:31 UTC - in response to Message 39601.  

... so I'm expecting a 180 MB final upload!

My task has now reached 47%, and I'm beginning to get a little bit worried by this.

File 2x23-GERARD_VERYLONG_CXCL12_confAna-0-1-RND3250_0_9 has already reached 84,510 KB, and if it continues to grow linearly with progress, the final size will be very close to the 180 MB I predicted.

But the upload file specification says

<file>
    <name>2x23-GERARD_VERYLONG_CXCL12_confAna-0-1-RND3250_0_9</name>
    <nbytes>0.000000</nbytes>
    <max_nbytes>128000000.000000</max_nbytes>
    <status>0</status>
    <upload_url>http://www.gpugrid.org/PS3GRID_cgi/file_upload_handler</upload_url>
</file>

<max_nbytes> 128,000,000 is 128 MB, no? And we are going to exceed that by nearly 50%?

Fortunately, Retvari's GTX 980 mine-canary should finish in a couple of hours, and the rest of us tortoises will find out whether the hare has crashed and burned - or not.
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Message 39624 - Posted: 23 Jan 2015, 14:39:35 UTC - in response to Message 39623.  

Fortunately, Retvari's GTX 980 mine-canary should finish in a couple of hours, and the rest of us tortoises will find out whether the hare has crashed and burned - or not.


Ahem. We are all working on the same side.
If Retvari Zoltan's work units fail, ours will also fail...just a little slower.
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Message 39626 - Posted: 23 Jan 2015, 14:59:15 UTC - in response to Message 39620.  
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Please don't cancel any more WUs to get them! I checked and they are already all taken at this point so only if they fail on some machines will they get added to the queue again. They are only a single step so they are not coming back.
I agree with Retvari that it's not a good idea to put them on the long queue. We will discuss about queues and how to organize them better.


Gerard never asked anyone to ABORT WU's to get their hands on one of these long WU's.
While you may agree with Retvari he was the first to post that he had ABORTED other WU's for no other reason than to get one of these on a particular card. His warning was a "Self Fulfilling Prophecy" and others followed.
Maybe Retvari decided that these units gave more credits and a place on the "Performance" tab and were more important than other scientists WU's. In addition, he might of thought he deserved more of them than anyone else.


Strongly Disagree with you. I also asked if one should abort WU's to obtain the "VERY LONG". But in French, so I guess you did not understand. Furthermore, it was a question only, not a suggestion.

http://www.gpugrid.net/forum_thread.php?id=3988&nowrap=true#39586

I don't know Retvari Zoltan in the real life, but your post is insulting, as he is very often posting here in order to HELP crunchers + to give very good advices.

We are here to help science, not to denigrate a particular person.

Retvari Zoltan, I want to thank you for the help and advices you give on this forum.

Best Regards,

Phil1966
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Message 39627 - Posted: 23 Jan 2015, 15:01:44 UTC - in response to Message 39623.  
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Good points, both of you! (Richard Haselgrove & Dayle)

My GTX780Ti has 55 minutes left, so we have to act fast.
The 4x14-GERARD_VERYLONG_CXCL12_confAna-0-1-RND7430_0_9 file on that host has grown to 177639400 bytes, which is larger than the specified size in the client_state.xml file, but if you look for the previous file section, it's upload size is doubled. So I think that the wrong file size is doubled by accident.
<file>
    <name>4x14-GERARD_VERYLONG_CXCL12_confAna-0-1-RND7430_0_8</name>
    <nbytes>0.000000</nbytes>
    <max_nbytes>256000000.000000</max_nbytes>
    <status>0</status>
    <upload_url>http://www.gpugrid.org/PS3GRID_cgi/file_upload_handler</upload_url>
</file>
<file>
    <name>4x14-GERARD_VERYLONG_CXCL12_confAna-0-1-RND7430_0_9</name>
    <nbytes>0.000000</nbytes>
    <max_nbytes>128000000.000000</max_nbytes>
    <status>0</status>
    <upload_url>http://www.gpugrid.org/PS3GRID_cgi/file_upload_handler</upload_url>
</file>

However, it could be easily fixed by manually editing these numbers with a text editor (it is advised to exit BOINC manager & the scientific applications before doing so).
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Message 39628 - Posted: 23 Jan 2015, 15:02:21 UTC

It looks like the 970 PNY will take about 30 hours to complete these WU's while the 970 Gaming G1 will need about 24 hours.

(The PNY are connected to an old PCI E 2.0 MB ... :/)
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Message 39629 - Posted: 23 Jan 2015, 15:05:37 UTC - in response to Message 39627.  
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Good points, both of you! (Richard Haselgrove & Dayle)

My GTX780Ti has 55 minutes left, so we have to act fast.
The 4x14-GERARD_VERYLONG_CXCL12_confAna-0-1-RND7430_0_9 file on that host has grown to 177639400 bytes, which is larger than the specified size in the client_state.xml file, but if you look for the previous file section, it's upload size is doubled. So I think that the wrong file size is doubled by accident.

However, it could be easily fixed by manually editing these numbers with a text editor (it is advised to exit BOINC manager & the scientific applications before doing so).



Are we supposed to change something manually ?
Do we need to increase the <max_nbytes> ?
Or do we need to check if this is necessary before doing so ?
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