Sorry to hear your GPU will continue to perform poorly on Win8.

Actually, I will be trying XP, if that will work on a Haswell machine. I already have one GTX 660 on XP that is working faster than Win7 (especially with the beta drivers), and I doubt that Linux offers any advantage over XP.

Speaking of which, though I didn't mention it above as it is not relevant to GPUGrid, I was quite surprised to find that Linux runs the WCG/MCM more slowly on the CPU than does Win7. In fact a comparable work unit (same series) that takes 4 hours on Win7 64-bit takes 5 1/2 hours on Linux Mint 64-bit. I am not sure why that is, and there may be other factors than the OS, but I will know more when I can try XP on it. (And the lack of hardware monitoring tools is another reason to get away from Linux.)

If you like it, have fun.

This is the problem with most people. They try out something totally different and new to them, see it doesn't work like the thing they're used to, and get discouraged and go back to their familiar stuff.

I was using the vi editor under Unix before most people on this forum were born, and dearly hoped never to see it again. I think I will keep it that way.

Bingo! Dude, vi is available in Linux but that's not the only editor it offers. Had you bothered to spend 10 seconds learning to drive your Ferrari you would find the text editors it offers beat the pants off of any text editor your old Beetle offers and you just click on the icon to start them. But if you prefer edlin then fill your boots.

But as with most such discussions, after asking why Bill Gates is a billionaire rather than the developers of Linux, the partisans ignore the results. I would not expect anything less.

You're wrong about that too. I've never ignored that question or the results. The reason Bill Gates is a billionaire and not Linux developers is because Bill Gates is a crook, a fraud, a cheap huckster, and lemmings are too stupid to realize it or even dream of the possibility that anything else could be equal or superior.

Now I ask you this.... Why is Bill Gates giving away his fortune?

The answer... He thinks he's going to hell for being the biggest crook in the entire history of the free Western world and he's trying to atone for his sins before he dies. (Yah, there is no hell and no god but Gates thinks there might be and doesn't want to take a chance)

Partisan: lemming speak, name for anybody they don't like

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Partisan: lemming speak, name for anybody they don't like

A partisan is one who speaks highly of the free market system until they get to Bill Gates, and then they assign him to the nether regions for being successful at it.

This is the problem with most people. They try out something totally different and new to them, see it doesn't work like the thing they're used to, and get discouraged and go back to their familiar stuff.

I was using the vi editor under Unix before most people on this forum were born, and dearly hoped never to see it again. I think I will keep it that way.

But as with most such discussions, after asking why Bill Gates is a billionaire rather than the developers of Linux, the partisans ignore the results. I would not expect anything less.

LOL? This is your reply. I tried software X many years ago, I didn't like Software X for OS Y, so all software made for OS Y must be equally bad, including the OS Y itself. You might wanna look up logical fallacies. I'm sure yours classifies as one

If my mom can learn to use Linux in a week, knowing how my mom thinks and acts, I'm sure many more people will have no problem learning it too. It's just that they lack some things that prevents them, like little time, lazy, no interest, busy with other stuff, etc

In reply to your partitioning issue, the reason people don't know how to do it, is because Windows is pre-installed on PCs. 90% of people buy PCs with it already functioning so they don't need to bother or learn how to do it. If you need to install Windows yourself, Windows itself already makes a sane default that you just need to accept. Guess what? Most if not all Linux installers do the same. Regular people don't install Windows. They are happy if all is set up and they can use it. If something goes bad and they can't fix it, the PC shop will do it for a small fee. This is what I call "dumbing down" people

Personally, I'm very thankful UNIX and Linux exist. Without them, I would never have learned how to program, set up servers, write websites, automate tasks and let the computer work for me without me looking, and even get into crunching (which is thanks to Linux).

Anyways, I'm not trying to convince you here. Not even trying to change your mind. Just don't make assumptions based on very limited experiences and throw out statements like "I didn't like X so X must be bad for others too as I'll never recommend it".

In response to Bill Gates. Guess what? Gates didn't got rich from writing Windows himself. He stole and built on already existing, often raw, technology. This in combination with his genius-like, business-centric mind is what got him the money. it's called exploiting opportunities and sometimes being at the right time at the right place

The "developer of Linux" is not a billionair because that's not his goal. He does it for the love of technology, while Gates' underlying drive was to get rich in addition to setting a computer in every home.

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This is the problem with most people. They try out something totally different and new to them, see it doesn't work like the thing they're used to, and get discouraged and go back to their familiar stuff.

I was using the vi editor under Unix before most people on this forum were born, and dearly hoped never to see it again. I think I will keep it that way.

But as with most such discussions, after asking why Bill Gates is a billionaire rather than the developers of Linux, the partisans ignore the results. I would not expect anything less.

LOL? This is your reply. I tried software X many years ago, I didn't like Software X for OS Y, so all software made for OS Y must be equally bad, including the OS Y itself. You might wanna look up logical fallacies. I'm sure yours classifies as one

If my mom can learn to use Linux in a week, knowing how my mom thinks and acts, I'm sure many more people will have no problem learning it too. It's just that they lack some things that prevents them, like little time, lazy, no interest, busy with other stuff, etc

In reply to your partitioning issue, the reason people don't know how to do it, is because Windows is pre-installed on PCs. 90% of people buy PCs with it already functioning so they don't need to bother or learn how to do it. If you need to install Windows yourself, Windows itself already makes a sane default that you just need to accept. Guess what? Most if not all Linux installers do the same. Regular people don't install Windows. They are happy if all is set up and they can use it. If something goes back and they can't fix it, the PC shop will do it for a small fee. This is what I call "dumbing down" people

Personally, I'm very thankful UNIX and Linux exist. Without them, I would never have learned how to program, set up servers, write websites, automate tasks and let the computer work for me without me looking, and even get into crunching (which is thanks to Linux).

Anyways, I'm not trying to convince you here. Not ever trying to change your mind. Just don't make assumptions based on very limited experiences and throw out statements like "I didn't like X so X must be bad for others too as I'll never recommend it".

In response to Bill Gates. Guess what? Gates didn't got rich from writing Windows himself. He stole and built on already existing, often raw, technology. This in combination with his genius-like, business-centric mind is what got him the money.

I won't try to respond to all of your diatribe, there is no answer to a vacuum anyway. But you managed to totally miss the point about vi, even though I had clearly stated that I was trying out Linux Mint now. The point is that I am not adverse to trying out something new (or else I would not be trying out Mint, would I?), but that the same type of limitations that existed many years ago on Linux and its precursor Unix are still with us. They have not made much progress on user friendliness. That opened up a huge door for MS, and Bill stepped right through it, to the eternal annoyance of Linux fans ever since.

I can use Linux too once it is set up; ask you Mom to get GPUGrid running under BOINC while remotely monitoring it. But the even more basic question is why bother? You have not attempted to answer that one, except for vindictives against Bill.

Sorry to hear your GPU will continue to perform poorly on Win8.

Actually, I will be trying XP, if that will work on a Haswell machine. I already have one GTX 660 on XP that is working faster than Win7 (especially with the beta drivers), and I doubt that Linux offers any advantage over XP.

If you're thinking striclty from a performance on GPUgrid perspective then you're right, Linux has no advantage over XP, assuming it will work with your CPU and chipset. For a dedicated cruncher it might be all you need. Or it might not. Let us know how it turns out.

From a broader perspective and by that I mean mostly "for a machine that will be used for everyday activities as well as GPUgrid crunching", Linux has huge advantages but I don't think you're mentally prepared to accept that possibility, the way a drunk isn't prepared to accept the fact he has to sober up until he hits rock bottom. Don't get me wrong, nothing wrong with rock bottom, I've been to every rocky bottom there is and even invented a few nobody ever heard of before. It's what you do after you get there that counts.

Speaking of which, though I didn't mention it above as it is not relevant to GPUGrid, I was quite surprised to find that Linux runs the WCG/MCM more slowly on the CPU than does Win7.

Surprised huh? And what will you say when I tell you there are plenty of projects that run slower on Windows than they do on Linux? Will you say "I'm quite surprised" or will you cover your furry little ears with your cute little paws and yell "nahnahnahnahnahnahnaaaaaaah, caaaaaaan't heeeeeeaaaaarrrrr yoooooooooooooooooo" the way Gates brainwashes his little lemming bitches to do?

And the lack of hardware monitoring tools is another reason to get away from Linux.

There is no lack of hardware monitoring tools on Linux, just a lack in your
ability to find and run them. See on Linux we have this thing called Google? It helps you find stuff and learn stuff?

If you like it, have fun.

Thank you! Hope you like scratched up XP disk you're getting off Ebay, or is it some virus laden hijack disk from pirate bay? Maybe a knock off from Shanghai?

Also, I buy clay pigeons for about 26 cents each in lots of 500. What could I get 500 of those XP disks for? They're smaller and fly faster than clay pigeons which makes them more of a challenge. And for rookies they fit nicely into a crack on a fence post, clay pigeons don't.

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It looks like you have given up on performance and ease of use, and are resorting to drinking habits. Let us know what you come up with.

This is the problem with most people. They try out something totally different and new to them, see it doesn't work like the thing they're used to, and get discouraged and go back to their familiar stuff.

I was using the vi editor under Unix before most people on this forum were born, and dearly hoped never to see it again. I think I will keep it that way.

But as with most such discussions, after asking why Bill Gates is a billionaire rather than the developers of Linux, the partisans ignore the results. I would not expect anything less.

LOL? This is your reply. I tried software X many years ago, I didn't like Software X for OS Y, so all software made for OS Y must be equally bad, including the OS Y itself. You might wanna look up logical fallacies. I'm sure yours classifies as one

If my mom can learn to use Linux in a week, knowing how my mom thinks and acts, I'm sure many more people will have no problem learning it too. It's just that they lack some things that prevents them, like little time, lazy, no interest, busy with other stuff, etc

In reply to your partitioning issue, the reason people don't know how to do it, is because Windows is pre-installed on PCs. 90% of people buy PCs with it already functioning so they don't need to bother or learn how to do it. If you need to install Windows yourself, Windows itself already makes a sane default that you just need to accept. Guess what? Most if not all Linux installers do the same. Regular people don't install Windows. They are happy if all is set up and they can use it. If something goes back and they can't fix it, the PC shop will do it for a small fee. This is what I call "dumbing down" people

Personally, I'm very thankful UNIX and Linux exist. Without them, I would never have learned how to program, set up servers, write websites, automate tasks and let the computer work for me without me looking, and even get into crunching (which is thanks to Linux).

Anyways, I'm not trying to convince you here. Not ever trying to change your mind. Just don't make assumptions based on very limited experiences and throw out statements like "I didn't like X so X must be bad for others too as I'll never recommend it".

In response to Bill Gates. Guess what? Gates didn't got rich from writing Windows himself. He stole and built on already existing, often raw, technology. This in combination with his genius-like, business-centric mind is what got him the money.

I won't try to respond to all of your diatribe, there is no answer to a vacuum anyway. But you managed to totally miss the point about vi, even though I had clearly stated that I was trying out Linux Mint now. The point is that I am not adverse to trying out something new (or else I would not be trying out Mint, would I?), but that the same type of limitations that existed many years ago on Linux and its precursor Unix are still with us. They have not made much progress on user friendliness. That opened up a huge door for MS, and Bill stepped right through it, to the eternal annoyance of Linux fans ever since.

I can use Linux too once it is set up; ask you Mom to get GPUGrid running under BOINC while remotely monitoring it. But the even more basic question is why bother? You have not attempted to answer that one, except for vindictives against Bill.

Which limitation exactly? The only thing you said is that you prefer not to see or use vi again. You didn't explain why, unless I missed it. Do you think I find all software for Linux/UNIX awesome? Or that I think UNIX/Linux doesn't have issues? Of course there's software that sucks or that a person doesn't like it. I also have my preference about which desktop environment I use, which CLI editor, which GUI editor, which language I use for scripting, etc, etc

If my mom was alive, I'm sure she can set it up. Don't think that just because my mom doesn't know computers much, she lacks the brainpower to set something up. Given enough time and a bit of research, she can do it :)

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The point is that I am not adverse to trying out something new (or else I would not be trying out Mint, would I?), but that the same type of limitations that existed many years ago on Linux and its precursor Unix are still with us. They have not made much progress on user friendliness. That opened up a huge door for MS, and Bill stepped right through it, to the eternal annoyance of Linux fans ever since.

Actually, no. The limitations are only in your little experienced mind. You also might wanna read up on why Windows became the default on all sold PCs (hint, hint, MS pays HW manufacturers) and also read on what happened during the UNIX wars that your beloved Bill exploited to become the dominant player

Oh boy, for someone who "used vi even before most on this forum were born", you surely don't know a lot of history

Anyways, I see where this is going. Windows Vs Linux, and not the OPs original intent to make the transition to Linux painless for new crunchers.

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Actually, no. The limitations are only in your little experienced mind. You also might wanna read up on why Windows became the default on all sold PCs (hint, hint, MS pays HW manufacturers) and also read on what happened during the UNIX wars that your beloved Bill exploited to become the dominant player

Oh boy, for someone who "used vi even before most on this forum were born", you surely don't know a lot of history

You aren't even close. MS became dominant because IBM adopted it, and let Bill Gates keep the copyright on the software (DOS). He then took it and ran, developing better versions thereafter. Try an alternative universe where you explanation might be more accepted.

I won't try to respond to all of your diatribe, there is no answer to a vacuum anyway.

So facts you can't face are just a vacuum, huh? Whatever.

But you managed to totally miss the point about vi, even though I had clearly stated that I was trying out Linux Mint now. The point is that I am not adverse to trying out something new (or else I would not be trying out Mint, would I?),

You expect anybody to catch a point you never made? Interesting!

Nah, I don't think you tried out Mint at all. I think all you did was report to Lemming Central that you've spotted a partisan and they sent you a link to pages of BS about Linux that you're now copying and pasting into posts here. I mean anybody who has really tried Linux can't be saying what you're saying unless they're lieing or they're, well, you know, cognitively challenged.

...but that the same type of limitations that existed many years ago on Linux and its precursor Unix are still with us. They have not made much progress on user friendliness. That opened up a huge door for MS, and Bill stepped right through it, to the eternal annoyance of Linux fans ever since.

Continue living in the past if you wish. The truth is a ton of progress has been made on the user friendliness front, more progress than Windows has made IMHO. The fact that lemmings aren't allowed to admit that fact is amusing to Linux users, not annoying. Bill's money? That proves nothing about anything so that couldn't possibly annoy a sane person.

I can use Linux too once it is set up; ask you Mom to get GPUGrid running under BOINC while remotely monitoring it. But the even more basic question is why bother? You have not attempted to answer that one, except for vindictives against Bill.

More lemming lies from Lemming Central. Gotta admit you copy and paste pretty fast. Your question has been answered repeatedly. My guess is either you're stupid and can't read or the "truth about LINUX detector" on your Win machine is filtering out the responses. That would be Gates' style.

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It looks like you have given up on performance and ease of use, and are resorting to drinking habits. Let us know what you come up with.

I sobered up in 1996 as a matter of fact and haven't resorted to liquid courage since then, not even once. Cold turkey. You should try it too.

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I can use Linux too once it is set up; ask you Mom to get GPUGrid running under BOINC while remotely monitoring it. But the even more basic question is why bother? You have not attempted to answer that one, except for vindictives against Bill.

More lemming lies from Lemming Central. Gotta admit you copy and paste pretty fast. Your question has been answered repeatedly. My guess is either you're stupid and can't read or the "truth about LINUX detector" on your Win machine is filtering out the responses. That would be Gates' style.

How did she fix the VNC crash? I can still try it out before the Windows disc arrives. I don't want to stand in the way of your search for truth.

Actually, no. The limitations are only in your little experienced mind. You also might wanna read up on why Windows became the default on all sold PCs (hint, hint, MS pays HW manufacturers) and also read on what happened during the UNIX wars that your beloved Bill exploited to become the dominant player

Oh boy, for someone who "used vi even before most on this forum were born", you surely don't know a lot of history

You aren't even close. MS became dominant because IBM adopted it, and let Bill Gates keep the copyright on the software (DOS). Try an alternative universe where you explanation might be more accepted.

Why do you think IBM adopted it? Because the software was so amazing? For Christ's sake, the early versions were bug-filled.

In the initial planning, IBM was pushing its own OS for the PC-compatible, only the BASIC-interpreter was to be made by MS. After time, when IBM saw their new OS didn't progress as planned, they went to MS and MS agreed to deliver the OS. Billy initially planned to write it himself but soon went searching at other firms until he discovered QDOS that MS bought for 50.000 dollars and developed it further.... if you want more history, there's this amazing search engine called Google that can help you

No, because Billy boy exploited yet another opportunity ;)

Ad-hominem attacks to "try another universe" don't work on me ;)

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Why do you think IBM adopted it? Because the software was so amazing? For Christ's sake, the early versions were bug-filled.

In the initial planning, IBM was pushing its own OS for the PC-compatible, only the BASIC-interpreter was to be made by MS. After time, when IBM saw their new OS didn't progress as planned, they went to MS and MS agreed to deliver the OS. Billy initially planned to write it himself but soon went searching at other firms until he discovered QDOS that MS bought for 50.000 dollars and developed it further.... if you want more history, there's this amazing search engine called Google that can help you

No, because Billy boy exploited yet another opportunity ;)

Ad-hominem attacks to "try another universe" don't work on me ;)

At least you recognize that your earlier version was not accurate. Of course Bill exploited opportunities; you seem to think that is a dirty term. Is that what you call an "Ad-hominem" attack? I can never tell with people trying to argue against history.

Why do you think IBM adopted it? Because the software was so amazing? For Christ's sake, the early versions were bug-filled.

In the initial planning, IBM was pushing its own OS for the PC-compatible, only the BASIC-interpreter was to be made by MS. After time, when IBM saw their new OS didn't progress as planned, they went to MS and MS agreed to deliver the OS. Billy initially planned to write it himself but soon went searching at other firms until he discovered QDOS that MS bought for 50.000 dollars and developed it further.... if you want more history, there's this amazing search engine called Google that can help you

No, because Billy boy exploited yet another opportunity ;)

Ad-hominem attacks to "try another universe" don't work on me ;)

At least you recognize that your earlier version was not accurate. Of course Bill exploited opportunities; you seem to think that is a dirty term. Is that what you call an "Ad-hominem" attack? I can never tell with people trying to argue against history.

Actually, it is accurate. MS does pay HW manufacturers to prefer Win over anything else. Just like it recently paid Samsung, Sony and others to make Windows phones ;) But hey, when you're rich and desperate, why not just buy your way in, huh? ;)

No, i don't think opportunities is a dirty word. What I think is dirty is how it's executed by Billy ;)

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Actually, no. The limitations are only in your little experienced mind. You also might wanna read up on why Windows became the default on all sold PCs (hint, hint, MS pays HW manufacturers)

Wrong. If you were a computer assembler (Dell, HP, Compaq, etc.) MS threatened to make their OS incompatible with your hardware unless you pre-installed Windows on your computers. They also threatened any store that sold a PC that did not have Windows pre-installed on it and tried to prevent anybody from even selling all the parts for a PC without a copy of Windows. That's unfair trade practice which makes Gates nothing but a dirty crook. But if you distort the facts enough and use the "Gates is rich therefore it must be good" fallacy lemmings seem to eat it up and cough up endless quantities of hard earned cash on what is basically junk.

The good thing Gates ever did was force some standards into the industry for PnP to work but he even tried to own that all to himself, along with the Internet. Other than those standards, which Linux does a lot better btw, Gates is a useless asshole. Rich, but useless and an asshole.

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Actually, no. The limitations are only in your little experienced mind. You also might wanna read up on why Windows became the default on all sold PCs (hint, hint, MS pays HW manufacturers)

Wrong. If you were a computer assembler (Dell, HP, Compaq, etc.) MS threatened to make their OS incompatible with your hardware unless you pre-installed Windows on your computers. They also threatened any store that sold a PC that did not have Windows pre-installed on it and tried to prevent anybody from even selling all the parts for a PC without a copy of Windows. That's unfair trade practice which makes Gates nothing but a dirty crook. But if you distort the facts enough and use the "Gates is rich therefore it must be good" fallacy lemmings seem to eat it up and cough up endless quantities of hard earned cash on what is basically junk.

The good thing Gates ever did was force some standards into the industry for PnP to work but he even tried to own that all to himself, along with the Internet. Other than those standards, which Linux does a lot better btw, Gates is a useless asshole. Rich, but useless and an asshole.

You have overlooked the obvious. If Linux is so good (and free), why don't the hardware manufacturers use it? In fact, why are you arguing your point at all? I am perfectly happy to let you or anyone else who wants to use Linux do so; if they are familiar with it from work or school, it is a lot easier. But you asked a question in your original post, and have been trying to avoid the answer ever since.

...The good thing Gates ever did was force some standards into the industry for PnP to work but he even tried to own that all to himself...

Back in the day, PnP was a standard feature with Macintosh computers and was a huge selling point over Windows before PnP found its way into Windows world. PnP came to Windows because Window users were growing frustrated adding components or upgrading their computers. One could say that Gates once again "borrowed" another Macintosh concept and incorporated that into the Windows world.

Now to help get this thread back on topic, how difficult would it be to add a feature where we could manually control the video card fan speed on the second or third video card? Getting tired of seeing one video card at 52c and the other at 71c. If I could do that I would ditch Windows on all but two of my computers (work related issues) as that is the only real reason why I have Windows.

You have overlooked the obvious. If Linux is so good (and free), why don't the hardware manufacturers use it?

Lol! Are you trying to say that the fact the hardware manufacturer's don't use it is proof Linux is no good? As if there is no other possible explanation for why they don't use it? That's a yes or no question. Think before you answer else confirm the suspicion that you're an idiot.

In fact, why are you arguing your point at all?

I'm not arguing. I'm just pointing out that you are either an idiot or a blatant liar, that most everything you've said about Linux is false and that Gates is a crook who should be in jail.

I am perfectly happy to let you or anyone else who wants to use Linux do so; if they are familiar with it from work or school, it is a lot easier. But you asked a question in your original post, and have been trying to avoid the answer ever since.

The fact that I asked the question indicates I am not avoiding the answer. The fact that I have offered to listen to complaints about Linux and try to help is further indication. The fact I have admitted there are deficiencies and have proposed mechanisms to overcome them is further indication. I am not avoiding anything, I am simply pushing back against the BS and FUD you are unashamedly spreading here.

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