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Message 14991 - Posted: 4 Feb 2010, 17:22:53 UTC - in response to Message 14990.  

Your card IS supported -- but is considered too slow to reliably return WUs quickly enough to make the WU deadline.

That speed determination is a generalization. Since you have your computers hidden, I can't determine how long it was actually taking your computer to crunch the WUs.

If you have been crunching WUs already (and returning them within the deadlines) then you'll continue to be able to do so.


I had succesfull... means within the deadline.


Since the new application is faster, it will be somewhat easier for slower cards to meet the deadline -- assuming the GPUGRID folks don't either increase the amount of work done in each WU and/or lower the deadlines as a result of the faster algorithm.

If you're missing the deadline, you're A) slowing down the project (bad for the science) and B) possibly not getting credit for the WU (bad, if that's important to you.)


Because the card is not really fast i would try out the new Beta-App. - but all Wu's crashing with error within 2 seconds.

May be my card isn't supported for the new BETA-App?


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Message 14992 - Posted: 4 Feb 2010, 17:29:47 UTC - in response to Message 14991.  

It *would* help if you unhid your computers. Otherwise we're just guessing. :)
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Message 14994 - Posted: 4 Feb 2010, 18:47:01 UTC - in response to Message 14992.  

It *would* help if you unhid your computers. Otherwise we're just guessing. :)


done: http://www.gpugrid.net/hosts_user.php?userid=424

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Message 14995 - Posted: 4 Feb 2010, 19:02:50 UTC - in response to Message 14976.  

3rd and 4th wu now running.

Cards are GTX260 (65nm) 216sp revision A2


Machine was off during day due to weather.

I suspended all the Einstein wu. This makes the wu progress a lot faster, so sharing a cpu core is clearly a major performance issue.

3rd wu completed successfully. Link to wu here

4th wu still running. However it too froze. A suspend/resume in BOINC got it going again. Also machine rebooted for no apparent reason. According to the Win7 event log it refers to an application error. Details are:

acemdbeta_6.08_windows_intelx86__cuda
0.0.0.0
4b680f5f
acemdbeta_6.08_windows_intelx86__cuda
0.0.0.0
4b680f5f
40000015
0003274d
a74
01caa5930a0dce07
C:\ProgramData\BOINC\projects\www.gpugrid.net\acemdbeta_6.08_windows_intelx86__cuda
C:\ProgramData\BOINC\projects\www.gpugrid.net\acemdbeta_6.08_windows_intelx86__cuda
c5ce415c-119f-11df-bbfe-00248c1ddc91
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Message 14996 - Posted: 4 Feb 2010, 19:58:38 UTC - in response to Message 14994.  

It *would* help if you unhid your computers. Otherwise we're just guessing. :)


done: http://www.gpugrid.net/hosts_user.php?userid=424

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One thing I noticed about your machine:

Measured integer speed 1536.79 million ops/sec

You're running a Core2 CPU at a higher clock rate than I am, and my machine gets around 5000 for that benchmark. Same version of Windows, too.

So, why do you see about 25% of what I do on that benchmark? 25% happens to be the speed that most laptops cut the CPU to when it's going into power saving mode. Since the benchmarks will only run when BOINC is running, this means BOINC is running during the time that the laptop is taking steps to conserve power and/or reduce heat (pretty much the same thing).

It's possible, therefore, that the reason the WUs are failing is because of the power saving mode affecting the GPU. To test this, you need to go into the Windows power settings and make sure the laptop is always running at full power and then try running one of the beta WUs again.

This might be completely wrong, of course. But unless someone from the project says "nope, that card is not supported", at least this is something you could try.

Second observation:

The most recent stable version of the BOINC client is 6.10.18. Not sure if this has anything to do with your problem. I don't think it does, but it's a possibility. I'd install 6.10.18 anyway.

Third observation:

There's more recent versions of the video drivers. People have been saying that the 195 and 196 versions are slower, but 191 should be good. I'm running 191.07. Again, I don't think this is the cause of the problem.

P.S. That's a pretty fast CPU for a laptop, and a pretty good mobile GPU too. Nice machine you have there!
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Message 14997 - Posted: 4 Feb 2010, 21:01:38 UTC

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Message 15002 - Posted: 5 Feb 2010, 7:27:15 UTC

thx @ all.

Will try as next the newer NVDIA-Driver.


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Message 15004 - Posted: 5 Feb 2010, 8:29:26 UTC

UPDATE:

after installing 195.62 it seems, that now my GPU could crunch the new beta-APP.

...til yet 9 minutes running without errors...


will watch out this ;)


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Message 15007 - Posted: 5 Feb 2010, 9:45:19 UTC

How soon before 6.08 becomes the standard application?
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Message 15008 - Posted: 5 Feb 2010, 9:50:10 UTC - in response to Message 15007.  

For stability it seems fine. We have to check the results. Probably next week we will create a new application acemd2 which is not beta to go along side the old one.

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Message 15014 - Posted: 5 Feb 2010, 11:10:53 UTC - in response to Message 14995.  

4th wu still running. However it too froze. A suspend/resume in BOINC got it going again. Also machine rebooted for no apparent reason. According to the Win7 event log it refers to an application error. Details are:

acemdbeta_6.08_windows_intelx86__cuda
0.0.0.0
4b680f5f
acemdbeta_6.08_windows_intelx86__cuda
0.0.0.0
4b680f5f
40000015
0003274d
a74
01caa5930a0dce07
C:\ProgramData\BOINC\projects\www.gpugrid.net\acemdbeta_6.08_windows_intelx86__cuda
C:\ProgramData\BOINC\projects\www.gpugrid.net\acemdbeta_6.08_windows_intelx86__cuda
c5ce415c-119f-11df-bbfe-00248c1ddc91


Well the 4th one finished. As above caused a reboot plus a couple of "not responding" popups. It managed to validate, despite the error messages. Wu can be found here
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Message 15020 - Posted: 5 Feb 2010, 13:07:36 UTC - in response to Message 15014.  

This is the CUDA FFT bug on 260 cards.
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Message 15021 - Posted: 5 Feb 2010, 15:09:46 UTC - in response to Message 14545.  

On windows it does not work well. We will come out with Linux at first.
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Well, how about Linux' beta app now?

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Message 15028 - Posted: 5 Feb 2010, 19:27:40 UTC

this beta app for windows only? I'll try 3day to get beta WU on linux
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Message 15029 - Posted: 5 Feb 2010, 19:58:44 UTC - in response to Message 15028.  

I was out of town.
Linux app coming soon, just the time to compile it.

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Message 15030 - Posted: 5 Feb 2010, 20:29:02 UTC - in response to Message 15029.  

I was out of town.
Linux app coming soon, just the time to compile it.

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let me know when it will be ready :-) GTX275 waiting for it :-)
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Message 15031 - Posted: 5 Feb 2010, 21:53:21 UTC

I've had a WU failing today on the new app:

http://www.gpugrid.net/result.php?resultid=1808770

It happened while I was using the computer, the driver had to recover...
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Message 15033 - Posted: 5 Feb 2010, 23:54:18 UTC - in response to Message 15020.  

This is the CUDA FFT bug on 260 cards.
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Well I guess it didn't fix that then :-)
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Message 15035 - Posted: 6 Feb 2010, 4:25:28 UTC

So far have run 19 v6.08 WUs on 5 different GPUs (GTX 260 / GT 240 / 9600GSO). 18 were successful. The 1 failure was on a GT 240.
A CPU app errored just before the failure and I think it caused the GPU app to fail also.
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Message 15036 - Posted: 6 Feb 2010, 10:18:16 UTC - in response to Message 15031.  

I've had a WU failing today on the new app:

http://www.gpugrid.net/result.php?resultid=1808770

It happened while I was using the computer, the driver had to recover...


as you can see ut us a 9600gt on vista x64
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