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Message 11568 - Posted: 1 Aug 2009, 14:10:12 UTC - in response to Message 11564.  

it does not seem that you have successfully downgraded to 185.xx:
http://www.gpugrid.net/show_host_detail.php?hostid=17909

Your are having problems with the CUDA FFT library, which also seem to suggest that you are using the wrong driver. Please check.

Do you have the toolkit installed, if yes uninstall it. I am not sure if Windows would choose system installed libs rather than the one we provide.

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Hmmmmmm, but I tried that already (Downgrade to 185.18 I believe) & it din't work, I still got the errors, that and all my other Box's are running the 190.38 Drivers. I'll wait and see if they run okay now with the uninstall & reinstall I did with them an hour or so ago. If they still get the errors I'll try the 185.xx Drivers again.

No, I don't have the Toolkit installed on any of my Box's, did at first when I joined the Project but then un-installed them when I realized I didn't need them.



and people wonder why some of us install the toolkit....... here's your asnwer....

i install the toolkit each time it's updated... i rarely have an issue...
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Message 11569 - Posted: 1 Aug 2009, 14:16:31 UTC - in response to Message 11568.  
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it does not seem that you have successfully downgraded to 185.xx:
http://www.gpugrid.net/show_host_detail.php?hostid=17909

Your are having problems with the CUDA FFT library, which also seem to suggest that you are using the wrong driver. Please check.

Do you have the toolkit installed, if yes uninstall it. I am not sure if Windows would choose system installed libs rather than the one we provide.

gdf


Hmmmmmm, but I tried that already (Downgrade to 185.18 I believe) & it din't work, I still got the errors, that and all my other Box's are running the 190.38 Drivers. I'll wait and see if they run okay now with the uninstall & reinstall I did with them an hour or so ago. If they still get the errors I'll try the 185.xx Drivers again.

No, I don't have the Toolkit installed on any of my Box's, did at first when I joined the Project but then un-installed them when I realized I didn't need them.



and people wonder why some of us install the toolkit....... here's your asnwer....

i install the toolkit each time it's updated... i rarely have an issue...


Oh Please zpm, spare me the drama, I've never had the Toolkit installed and never had any problems either ... If you have something to add that's actually helpful please post other wise take your redundant spam some place else ... None of my other Box's have the Toolkit installed and they run fine here, it's just something with these 2 Box's and so far this morning just 1 Box.
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Message 11570 - Posted: 1 Aug 2009, 14:29:43 UTC - in response to Message 11569.  
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what i was trying to say PB; is that it can't hurt to have it installed(unless your just; no space available).


btw, if you think that post was meant for you as i hit the quote button on your post and didn't realize it... it wasn't meant for you, it was just meant to stat the fact that, some extra's tools in the box can't hurt...
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Message 11571 - Posted: 1 Aug 2009, 14:37:38 UTC - in response to Message 11570.  
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what i was trying to say PB; is that it can't hurt to have it installed(unless your just; no space available).


btw, if you think that post was meant for you as i hit the quote button on your post and didn't realize it... it wasn't meant for you, it was just meant to stat the fact that, some extra's tools in the box can't hurt...


Then say what you mean instead of just smugly throwing something out there that makes me look like an idiot for not having something installed that you do.

I'll try the toolkit later if going back to the 185.85 Drivers don't work on that Box ... Never have had to have it installed but as you say it might not hurt if all else fails ...

PS: Crap again, one just errored out on that Box so the 185.85 Driver rollback didn't work & I notice one looks like it's stalled on the other Box. The last time I noticed one stalled it was erred out when I checked the Box.

I don't have time to mess with them anymore today and I'm just paying for electricity that's getting nothing done so I'm just going to put them back on Collatz until this afternoon when I can mess with them a little again. I'll try the Toolkit then ...
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Message 11572 - Posted: 1 Aug 2009, 14:48:21 UTC - in response to Message 11571.  

poorboy, i hate to say this but when i ran aqua cuda, my gpugrid wu's errored out until the cuda aqua was off my computer(boinc)... i doubt that collatz is affecting the gpugrid wu's but who knows.....

something else too look into...

if all else fails, detach, and reattach...
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Message 11575 - Posted: 1 Aug 2009, 15:42:56 UTC - in response to Message 11572.  

poorboy, i hate to say this but when i ran aqua cuda, my gpugrid wu's errored out until the cuda aqua was off my computer(boinc)... i doubt that collatz is affecting the gpugrid wu's but who knows.....

something else too look into...

if all else fails, detach, and reattach...


I'm running the AQUA MT not AQUA CUDA @ Collatz CUDA Wu's on all of my NVIDIA Box's so you would think if it affected 1 or 2 Box's it would affect all of them.

I did install the CUDA 2.2 Toolkit on the Box with the 185.85 Drivers and CUDA 2.3 Toolkit on the Box with the 190.38 Drivers so we'll see if that works or not.

I've used up my quota on the 17909 Box for the Day & only have 1 started Wu left on that until tonight, the other Box has 2 Wu's on it & their both running now. Will check them later & see what happened with them.
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Message 11578 - Posted: 1 Aug 2009, 20:05:35 UTC

Both Box's have erred out their remaining Wu's using the 185.85 & 190.38 Drivers with & without the CUDA 2.2 & 2.3 Toolkit installed. About the only thing left to those to Box's is pull each card individually & see if it will run the Wu's or not on it's own. if it will then that particular Card probably good but if it won't then the Card is bad I would suspect.

I'll try to RMA them then if that's the case, I would think BFG's gonna get tired sooner or later of RMA'ing Video Cards just because they won't run the CUDA Applications here & will refuse to RMA them at some point.
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Message 11579 - Posted: 1 Aug 2009, 21:34:12 UTC - in response to Message 11578.  
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unless they bluescreen and die on you, the cards are ok....

what cards are they.... i'm sure your not the only one with a bunch of cards throwing you errors...

best thing to do, is to go to nvidia forums for cuda and see if any person with same card and all is having a problem doing the same things..
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Message 11580 - Posted: 1 Aug 2009, 22:35:57 UTC - in response to Message 11579.  

PoorBoy,
your error is quite odd. It always fails in the fft calls.
Try to look in the system for cufft.dll. You should have only the one distributed by gpugrid.

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Message 11582 - Posted: 1 Aug 2009, 23:09:11 UTC - in response to Message 11580.  
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PoorBoy,
your error is quite odd. It always fails in the fft calls.
Try to look in the system for cufft.dll. You should have only the one distributed by gpugrid.

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First off I did some checking around the NVIDIA Forums & couldn't find anything oertaining to my Problem. Found a little stuff on Linux & BOINC But nothing on Windows & BOINC.

Host ID 17909 has 2 cufft.dll's:

1 in C:\CUDA\bin < CUDA Toolkit I think
1 in D:\Program Files\BOINC\projects\www.gpu.grid.net
None in the slot's as no Wu's were running

Host ID 38967 has 4 cufft.dll's:

1 in C:\CUDA\bin < CUDA Toolkit I think
1 in D:\Program Files\BOINC\projects\www.gpu.grid.net
1 in D:\Program Files\BOINC\slot3
1 in D:\Program Files\BOINC\slot4
2 Wu's running on that Box 42% & 39% done after about 3.5 Hours of running, haven't erred out yet using 185.85 Drivers with the CUDA 2.2 Toolkit installed
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Message 11583 - Posted: 1 Aug 2009, 23:48:20 UTC - in response to Message 11582.  
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best i can say, if nothing else works... revert to 186.38.... and wait until next month...
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Message 11584 - Posted: 2 Aug 2009, 0:11:06 UTC - in response to Message 11583.  

best i can say, if nothing else works... revert to 186.38.... and wait until next month...


I've tried the 186.18's already and they didn't work, not sure there even is a 186.38 Driver. I'm downloading some 190.40 Drivers now & will try them tonight or tomorrow morning on those 2 Box's. The other Box's are runing okay so I'm not messing with them unless I have to.
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Message 11591 - Posted: 2 Aug 2009, 8:46:44 UTC
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Tried the 190.40 BETA Drivers over night on just 1 of the Dual GTX 260 Box's, the good news is after about 7+ hours of running neither Wu had erred out, the bad news is one of the Wu quit progressing some time during the night around 43% completion while the other Wu was @ 83% completion.

Both 260 Cores still showed full speed with GPU-Z, stopping & restarting BOINC got the stalled Wu running again but I could tell @ only 1/2 speed or less. Checking the Cores again showed 1 Core to be @ the all to familiar 300/Core & 400/Memory Speeds. So I rebooted the Box & when BOINC started again both Cores were at full speed again.

I'll let them run & see what happens with them from here. I also started up the other Box that's been trouble with the 190.40 BETA Drivers to see what it's going to do with them.
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Message 11616 - Posted: 2 Aug 2009, 20:18:31 UTC

Well 3 of the 4 Wu's on the 2 Box's ended up with error's, 1 of them was within a few % Points of finishing when it erred out. So I'm done for awhile running the Grid Wu's until somebody comes up with a fix. The Riva Fix may work on some Box's but it doesn't work on any of mine so thats out.

I found 1 Wu on my Dual 275 Box this Morning that had been running for 18+ hr's according to BOINC Manager's CPU Time so it probably has been runing much longer than that. It was at 34% done, 1 Core was at the dreaded 300/Core 400/Memory, I just aborted it and set the box to NNW.

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Message 11617 - Posted: 2 Aug 2009, 22:58:00 UTC

I made a Post over at the NVIDIA CUDA Forum, maybe somebody has a fix or suggestions over there I can try ...
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Message 11622 - Posted: 3 Aug 2009, 5:32:50 UTC

All WUs exiting with "output file ... is null" error. BOINC 6.6.38, 190.38 nVidia driver, Win 7 Ultimate x64.
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Message 11639 - Posted: 3 Aug 2009, 20:37:40 UTC
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I have talked to BFG & they are in agreement something is wrong with the Cards if they Reset themselves to a lower clock speed. They are willing to RMA all of my Cards that do that too, I have nothing but good stuff to say about BFG, they have RMA'ed several Cards for me already without any Questions, even sent me a Pre-Paid Shipping Label on the last one. The BFG Cards may cost a little more but to me their well worth it for their Warranty Service.

BFG is also going to forward my E-Mail to them to NVIDIA & see if they can't get NVIDIA to include Windows XP with the Prefer Maximum Performance Setting in the NVIDIA Control Panel Settings that Vista & on up got with the Recent releases. Maybe PoorBoy with BFG's help can move a Giant Company to do something for him & all fellow XP users that run NVIDIA Cards ... One can hope anyway ... B)
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Message 11642 - Posted: 3 Aug 2009, 22:31:40 UTC - in response to Message 11639.  

that is good news glad to read some thing good from you i was having the same problems i got one XFX gtx 260 that went back last Tuesday i couldn't get that card to work i did all the things you did. good luck and i hope you get things going as soon as possible.
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Message 11644 - Posted: 4 Aug 2009, 0:11:24 UTC - in response to Message 11642.  

that is good news glad to read some thing good from you i was having the same problems i got one XFX gtx 260 that went back last Tuesday i couldn't get that card to work i did all the things you did. good luck and i hope you get things going as soon as possible.


All the GTX Cards I have are running, just not running the Grid Project, they run the Collatz, Seti, AQUA CUDA Wu's just fine so it's not like their out of commission.

RMA'ing them will be the last resort if NVIDIA doesn't release some Drivers that fix the problem, until then I just won't be able to run the Grid Wu's with certain Cards I have.
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