GeForce 770 & 780, the same appearance as the TITAN.





http://www.chiphell.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=743127

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More information here:

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-700-series-enthusiast-roadmap-leaked-gtx-780-feature-gk110300-gpu-3-gb-memory/

GeForce 780, After the card, the box,



Available May 23.

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Just bought another 650 Ti at the egg yesterday for $85. How much will these cost and how much faster will they be? Oh, forgot, they probably won't even run GPUGrid until...???
But joy, they're windows8 compatible;-)

NVIDIA Publicly Announces the GeForce GTX 780 At GeForce E-Sports

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-publicly-announces-geforce-gtx-780-geforce-esports/




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As soon as the microcenter by my house gets one in stock, ill be purchasing the 780. Been itching to do a new build for awhile. Plan on using a Haswell processor, but may end up trying out IB-E. Dependson how much money I feel like spending.

The Gainward GTX 770 Phantom 2GB has a base clock of 1150MHz and a boost of 1202MHz.

The Inno3D iChill GTX 770 HerculeZ X3 Ultra 2GB has a base of 1150MHz, boost at 1210MHz, they must be getting some excellent yields from their chips! Most of the new cards come with the voltages unlocked in the video BIOS, guess we better be carful or the error rate might skyrocket.

I can't believe EVGA has 10 GTX770's and 7 GTX780 cards not including their hydro models. I agree that the GTX770 is going to be a great series for GPUGRID, it's going to be interesting to see how well they do. The 770 will work right out of the box, unlike the Titan or 780, I think it's using an updated GK104 chip maybe?

I can't believe EVGA has 10 GTX770's and 7 GTX780 cards not including their hydro models. I agree that the GTX770 is going to be a great series for GPUGRID, it's going to be interesting to see how well they do. The 770 will work right out of the box, unlike the Titan or 780, I think it's using an updated GK104 chip maybe?

I was just assuming that it would work because it's GK104 chip same as the 600's, the Titan and 780 are GK110. I wonder if anyone has bought a GTX770 and tried it, is there any way to find out?

Just bought a 780 (non-reference) today. Will be buying a Haswell tomorrow, and building everything between Monday-Tuesday. Ugh this stuff get's expensive lol. Fun to build though.

Anyways, I'm not surprised the beta is running around where a 680 is. Took GPUgrid quite some time to get the first batch of Kepler working properly. I just hope they can eventually get the most out of these cards. They offer quite a bit more than the GK104 parts in terms of well, everything. All operating at pretty much the same clock rate (save maybe 50 MHz or so).

Will be starting betas when I can.

Cheers.

Only going by the first extremely short Betas to successfully run on a Titan it doesn't look any faster than a GTX680. It might take some time to get the most from it - architecturally its a very different beast than a GK104, and conversely a GTX770 is basically a supped up GTX680. I can't think of any reason why a GTX770 wouldn't work straight out of the box, but we cannot say for sure until someone tests one. The Titans on the other hand - I'm not keen on them, so far.

If and when the GPUG devs start supporting the new top-end cards, I hope they do it in a backwards-compatible manner. I'd hate to see the performance of today's mid-range cards drop (5xx and 6xx, maybe even some 4xx), just for the sake of a few contributors that may have one of the new beasts. We're not all ready (yet) to dish out e.g. 500 euro for a 680 or 400 for a 770. Heck, I'm not even ready to give 200 euro to buy a 660!

Of course, that's just me, my priorities, my budget and my use pattern of the card: no gaming, just crunching.

PS: A 770 next year? Maybe...
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They wouldn't drop support for older series JUST for those cards, so no worries there. They do offer a nice performance bump however. First step is to get them crunching, than they just need to optimize.

Anyone know the theoretical performance increase for the GPUgrid app?

Price, while important overall, wasn't really on my list when making the decision. I just really wanted a gk110 :). They also clock REALLY well. My EVGA SC, acx? The twin fans one. Came at a default boost rate of 1100. I was quite impressed.

I'm just patiently waiting for the GPUgrid app. That is a rather nice performance increase. So far, its doing pretty well on the Folding@home CORE 17 app.

I am also looking forward to Maxwell, next year(?).

Someone wanted to know if anybody had a GTX 770 yet.

I bought a 770 SuperClocked w/ACX cooler a few weeks ago. Looks like I made the right choice. The card is working fantastic. Runs fast, cool and quiet. No problems with install or anything else. I have Win7 Pro w/32GB RAM on a i7-3770k running at 4.3 GHz. Don't play computer games. I got the card to turbocharge my graphics experience, to shorten time spent encoding video and so I can do number crunching! I am new here and it is a good feeling to be able to contribute.

I have had a few errors in my WU's, but I know why. I left the clock rate on the card alone, but several times I was tweaking my CPU and crashed the system. It took me a while to realize that if BOINC was running, the WU is ruined at that point, so I went ahead and finished the WU's and they were uploaded. It took me another while to quit fooling with my CPU, especially when BOINC is running! Now I just leave the CPU alone as it runs rock solid at 4.3GHz and every project is turned in with no problems.

The specs of the 770 SC say it has a base clock of 1111MHz and a boost of 1163MHz. The card seems to set its clock rate all by itself. Is that the GPU Boost 2.0 doing that? I like to run Rosetta@home and GPUG simultaneously. Rosetta won't touch the GPU so GPUG has the 770 all to itself. According to my monitoring, with Rosetta & GPUG running I am maxing all 8 CPU cores at 100% for 100% of the time, and the GPU load is as follows:

The 770 clocks itself to 1188MHz and 1187mv. With ambient temp of 76 deg F the card temp is 57 deg C and 80% fan speed (under my fan curve). If I ramp the fan up to 100% the temp comes down a few degrees, but at 3200rpm the fan is a little noisy and 57 is a very nice temp to be at anyway. The GPU Load is mostly 80%, and GPU Power runs 58-62% TDP. I don't know why the card ramps up to 1188MHz, because the boost clock is 1163 and I don't have any offsets set. I am just using the card the way it came, although I did change the fan curve.

Hope I've answered your question. At least in my system this card is rock solid stable and just seems to sort of purr effortlessly along. One more comment: The long WU's are being finished in around 9.5 - 10 hours, so I guess that's pretty fast. Gosh, I just looked and the long run WU I'm working on now has 5 minutes left and has been running for 8:32:00, so that's only 8.62 hrs of CPU time start to finish!

I bought a 770 SuperClocked w/ACX cooler a few weeks ago.

Hi TJ,

Unless I am mistaken, the Nathans you asked about are, in fact, the long WU's I was referring to in the last paragraph of my post. I don't really pay too much attention to the speed of GTX770, but to better answer your question I looked at my stats page. Here is a link so you can see for yourself:
http://www.gpugrid.net/results.php?userid=97668

The CPU Times of my last 4 Nathans completed (6980022, 6978354, 6972456, and 6968785) were 29,932sec, 30,398sec, 31,547sec, and 31,741sec respectively, for an average of 30,905sec or 8.58 hours.

This is much quicker than what I suggested in my earlier post and right in line with what I was observing in real time in the last paragraph of that post.

Hi again TJ,

I just noticed that there was an error in one of my tasks last night with the GTX770. The EVGA software (EVGA Precision 4.2.0, and EVGA NV-Z 0.4.10) that I was monitoring with crashed last night. The card itself and BOINC kept right on running, so the task completed and was uploaded as I slept. This has to be the cause of the error. Seems very weird to me. Why would the software crash? The card's memory load never goes over 18-20% and MCU load stays around 24%. The EVGA Precision software allows me to slow the card down if I have to. Will have to keep an eye on this.

Hi Midimaniac,

Great info, this helps me a lot.
Than your card is approx. 17000 seconds faster than (my) 660 not overclocked.
The 770 is a bit expensive in Europe, but I have a rig that should fit two of them easily. (If I replace the liquid cooling with a large CPU cooler that rig can run 24/7, and I don't need a new rig just now (but this should be on another thread)).
I start saving money and will by two 770, after the summer.

Your link doesn't work (anymore) "no access" is the message when clicking on it.

Happy crunching.
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I don't think he understood completely, the longest NATHAN's give 167,550 points and it looks as though he's only done 1, it took him 10.55 hours. That's a little slower than my 770 by about 1/2 hour.

Midimaniac, I think you should have a higher GPU load, mines at 95% with a memory load of 31%. I had to downclock the 770 because of the driver issue's and my 680's are faster right now (the 770 was completing the long NATHAN_KIDc22 in about 9 hours flat).

Interesting crash report.
I'm also seeing MSI Afterburner crash occasionally. The fan/temp profile seems to stick but the Afterburner Task bar icon is removed. It open's again without issue but when it crashes it doesn't kill WU's (that I've noticed, and it was the first thing I checked).

So many replies all at once!

MrS,

A really helpful reply, thank-you. The info on the clock speed that you presented makes sense.

Regarding your crash: 2 utilities constantly polling the GPUs sensors can cause problems. I actually leave none of them on constantly. I minimize GPU-Z and set it not to continue refrsehing when in the background. If I want a current reading I pop it up again. For continous monitoring I'd use only one utility and set the refrseh rate not too high, maybe every 10 s.

...you'll probably have some headroom left in that card (which could either be used for a higher offset clock, or a tad bit lower voltage at stock clock).

I have some remarks as well for you Midimaniac.

I have stopped TThrottle, it is a great program, but if you throttle anything, CPU and/or GPU then the GPU load will flip from heavy to low load, this will result in a GPU WU to take longer to finish. You can check that easily with EVGA NV-Z. Result is that my CPU is around 71°C (to hot with liquid cooling) but I will accept this for now as it doesn't run 24/7.

Secondly in EVGA Precision you have the option "GPU clock offset" this can be plus or minus. You can also click on "voltage" on the left site of the program under "test" and "monitoring". A new window will pop-up and you can lower the voltage. EVGA has neat software, that is one reason I like that brand.

Finally I have one CPU core free. So 6 are doing Rosie and 1 (0.669) is doing GPUGRID and 1 does nothing (perhaps windows system things). CPU usage is about 88%. My GTX660 runs smooth in about 12.5 hours for a Nathan LR, but your GTX770 is a way faster, so your RAC should increase significantly in the next days :)
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I have stopped TThrottle, it is a great program, but if you throttle anything, CPU and/or GPU then the GPU load will flip from heavy to low load, this will result in a GPU WU to take longer to finish.

Result is that my CPU is around 71°C

That is getting kind of toasty.

As a side note, I try to aim for around 50-60 on air. This is with a bullish OC though.

Has anybody tried disabling Hyperthreading and run all their GPU's with CPU tasks and see if that lowers the GPU utilization? I don't experience any issue's when running all eight cores flat out with Rosetta or CPDN, I have noticed that what BOINC says and other applications say differ greatly. When running GPUGRID, my CPU utilization is from 99.42% to 99.56% for each core that feeds a GPU. I would try it but the last Intel CPU I bought that I used was a socket 370 Pentium III 800EB (I have a PIII 1.1GHz but never used it, Intel wanted it back).

TJ & skgiven,

OK, I am starting to catch on thanks to you guys help. I am quite certain that in compute preferences I told each project that they could use 100% of the processors 100% of the time. From what you guys have said I can go in there and set Rosie to 7 cpu cores and put GPUG on 1 core. That would certainly allow GPUG to go to its full potential. Right now when I click "run based on preferences" I see 8 Rosie tasks running and 1 GPUGRID task running. The status line for the GPUG task says "Running (0.721 CPUs + 1 NVIDIA GPU". If I change my preferences and lower the percentage given to Rosetta the GPU should load up better. Good to know. On the other hand I'm quite happy to run things the way that they are. I like keeping the GPU temp down as far as possible.

TJ,

Thanks for the info regarding TThrottle. However, I don't use it to throttle anything, I don't need to. I only use TThrottle as a safeguard against possible excessive high temps. I have the CPU & GPU set to throttle at 70C because they should not normally ever reach that temp. I think TThrottle is a way cool program for this reason. And of course it has those kick-ass customizable graphs!

When I built this computer last month I installed a Xigmatek "Gaia" cooler on the CPU and it seems to be doing a fantastic job (for only $30). The case is a Corsair Obsidian 650D with a 200mm front intake and a top mounted 200mm exhaust that pulls the hot air straight up out of the case. I have the rear 120mm fan reversed to provide intake. This gives the case positive air pressure (more air going in than going out) and makes a HUGE difference in how much dust accumulates inside the case. One side benefit of reversing the rear fan to provide intake was that the Gaia CPU cooler is rather large and its position puts it directly in front of and about 2" from the rear fan. Is that cool, or what? So instead of getting 2nd hand hot air from the inside of the case the cpu cooler is being directly blasted by cool air from the outside! (I can't quit grinning about how well that worked out). So, all in all I have excellent cooling. The top of the case can be set up with 1 x 200mm, 2 x 120mm or 2 x 140mm fans. (Did I say I really love this case?) If I ever need more cooling I would likely get 2 Noctua 140mm fans for the top. One of their 140mm fan blows as much air at 800rpm as the Aerocool 200mm LED fan that I am using now and the noise level of the Nocs is only 12db(A) per fan at full speed.

Secondly in EVGA Precision you have the option "GPU clock offset" this can be plus or minus. You can also click on "voltage" on the left site of the program under "test" and "monitoring". A new window will pop-up and you can lower the voltage. EVGA has neat software, that is one reason I like that brand.

Yes I have as I have bought a refurbished rig with 2 Xeon's no HT (not possible), and when running a GPU task and none CPU, GPU use gets a steady load. When adding a core at a time for CPU crunching, the GPU load drops, to below 35% with 7 cores and to zero with 8 cores crunching CPU. Then only very limited a core give some time to the GPU WU.

Intel i3/5/7 CPUs can reach VERY high temps (~90C) quite easily with their stock Intel coolers! I don't understand why 70C under continuous crunching load is considered too hot or toasty! Isn't a difference of 20C from the consciously Intel-selected upper operating temperature, a safe distance?

As evidence to back this up I have my home server, crunching on WCG for years now, day in, day out, at temps ranging from ~55 to ~70.

I think people tend to over-react or go the extra mile(s) on "optimal" cooling without a real reason.
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Intel i3/5/7 CPUs can reach VERY high temps (~90C) quite easily with their stock Intel coolers! I don't understand why 70C under continuous crunching load is considered too hot or toasty! Isn't a difference of 20C from the consciously Intel-selected upper operating temperature, a safe distance?

As evidence to back this up I have my home server, crunching on WCG for years now, day in, day out, at temps ranging from ~55 to ~70.

I think people tend to over-react or go the extra mile(s) on "optimal" cooling without a real reason.

TJ & skgiven,

OK, I am starting to catch on thanks to you guys help. I am quite certain that in compute preferences I told each project that they could use 100% of the processors 100% of the time. From what you guys have said I can go in there and set Rosie to 7 cpu cores and put GPUG on 1 core. That would certainly allow GPUG to go to its full potential. Right now when I click "run based on preferences" I see 8 Rosie tasks running and 1 GPUGRID task running. The status line for the GPUG task says "Running (0.721 CPUs + 1 NVIDIA GPU". If I change my preferences and lower the percentage given to Rosetta the GPU should load up better. Good to know. On the other hand I'm quite happy to run things the way that they are. I like keeping the GPU temp down as far as possible.

Secondly in EVGA Precision you have the option "GPU clock offset" this can be plus or minus. You can also click on "voltage" on the left site of the program under "test" and "monitoring". A new window will pop-up and you can lower the voltage. EVGA has neat software, that is one reason I like that brand.

I don't get it. Are you sure about lowering the voltage?? When I click on Voltage a new window pops up but lowering the V is not possible. All you can do is click overvoltage and then drag the arrow up to raise the voltage. My software revision is the new one: 4.2.0.

TJ is correct, just because the CPUs can hit and run at 70, doesn't mean they should 24/7/365. It WILL shorten the lifespan.

TJ-

Thanks for that info on voltage in the EVGA software. I have tried and tried, but can't get the arrow to go down. I have dragged on the arrow and dragged on the bars, nothing seems to work. There is a GPU tweaker that came with my Asus motherboard. I noticed that it won't allow me to lower the voltage either. I think this might be because I have the super-clocked edition of the card. I'm not going to worry about it- the card is working well and running cool anyway.

You need to remember that the GTX770 has a TDP of 230 watts while a GTX680 has a TDP of 195 watts, they upped the default max voltage from 1.175v to 1.187v.

Mines still on air at this point and averages 57° to 63° with the ACX cooler, I wish they would hurry up and release the next driver already.

Edit: SK, did you get a chance to read that manual? Probably some lite reading, eh?

TJ is correct, just because the CPUs can hit and run at 70, doesn't mean they should 24/7/365. It WILL shorten the lifespan.

Hm, thanks. Then I'll have to wait a bit until 780 works well before I decide.

Hi MrS-

Thank-you for all of your input. I understand this:

Note that on Kepler GPUs (pretty much all we're talking about now) GPU-Grid always uses a full CPU thread, despite that unfortunate "0.7xxx" value being shown by BOINC.

This means by default BOINC will launch 8 CPU threads along GPU-Grid (on an 8-core machine) and overcommit the CPU.

Right now I have Rosetta's preferences set to use 1 processor for 25% of the time, but BOINC is still ramping up to 100% CPU usage on all cores when running Rosetta and GPUG together. My BOINC preferences are set to use 100% of the processors for 100% of the time, but I'm sure the way to turn down Rose is to do it on Rosie's page, right?

Does anyone have any suggestions?

Ronny-
Run your computers at 70 or 80 degrees and heat your house with the heat. That is amazing. Sounds to me like a study in efficiency. Well done!

Glad I asked about that! I reset my local preferences to compute on 99% of the processors and it reduced Rosetta to only 7 tasks running and one GPUG task running.

Hello: The GTX 780-TITAN GPUGRID work already, or is there any provision for this. Greetings.

To fix this one can set it to "use at most 99% of CPUs", but then the CPU will not be fully used if GPU-Grid is down. Or one can place a file called "app_config.xml" into the GPU-Grid project folder with the following contents:

Mhh, something obviously went wrong there, but I don't know your configuration well enough to make any educated guesses. In my post I assumed a standard setup as starting point, that is 100% CPU use and 1 GPU. Maybe that doesn't apply to your system?

MrS

Hello: The first task completed with my new Gainward GTX770. http://www.gpugrid.net/results.php?userid=68764

Perfect performance, average temperature 61 º C, fan at 64%, 87% load. Working with Windows 8.

Then I'll look to Ubuntu 13.04 which is actually my working OS.

Hello: The first task completed with my new Gainward GTX770. http://www.gpugrid.net/results.php?userid=68764

Perfect performance, average temperature 61 º C, fan at 64%, 87% load. Working with Windows 8.

Then I'll look to Ubuntu 13.04 which is actually my working OS.

Yeah, especially the new NOELIAs!!
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Hello: Finished the first short tasks with the GTX 770.

As expected Linux / Ubuntu 13.04 outperforms Windows 8 on average approximately 4.8%, the sample is short but I think it sets the trend, we will see in the long.

Then will run two short tasks at the same time and see if it really pays.

The next step long assignments. Greetings.

Hello: Finished two simultaneous short tasks on the GTX 770 and the result is an improvement of 5% (approx) of executing a single task, not much but it's something.

Possibly try with three tasks at once.

Unfortunately there are problems with Linux Noelias I hope is fixed soon. Greetings.

Unfortunately there are problems with Linux Noelias I hope is fixed soon. Greetings.
The problem is not related to Linux or Windows, it's with the WU's.

My GTX770 runs the exact same times as my GTX680's, I guess the faster memory has no impact here. With a TDP of 230 watts for the 770 compared to the 680's TDP of 195 watts, I think the GTX680 is the better deal and with Global Foundries process maturing very nicely, the new GTX680's are going straight to 1201MHz - 1215MHz right out of the box at 1.175 volts. I just really like those 680's, you can't go wrong with them.

This TDP difference makes me think that the best cards around now might be the GTX670's.

So perhaps is investing in the best cards available (Titan?) a safer option then buying a "cheap" one now and in a few months they are slow again.

On the other hand science projects need computer power from the public, that's the idea of BOINC. Then they should keep in mind that a lot of people have a tight budget to use for expensive computer hardware. So lower-end and mid-range cards must be used as well, they are in the majority after all.
I know the SR queue is there for, but these are gradually taking more time and more resources as well.

Indeed we invest heavily on hardware and electricity, but we are not forced to do so. We choose to run BOINC as or free will. And everyone can contribute to her or his own possibilities.
I have seen cancer from close by, I have "lived" in a hospital for more than half a year so I will invest to contribute to help find answers. I can give money to a cancer fund but I don't know if they use it for research, or a campaign, or brochures or whatever. Here I know where it is for. I don't care about credits as well, but I know others do and that has to be taken into account indeed. I do Rosetta as well and there credit is very very low. The project has troubles all the time. But I stick to it as there research is useful.

What we contribute will certainly help. Perhaps not tomorrow but eventually it will. GPUGRID has several papers published already, they are there to read for everyone. And they do care, cause as there is no-one to crunch, than their project is over. But in the scientific community there is competition as well. Several groups around the world are trying to find things as first. Funding has become harder and especially at Universities the scientists have to publish a lot of papers. In fact at the end the amount of papers published counts. All these things hinder the scientist. Most have a (young) family as well and then overall time is the enemy. So we have to be a bit patient from time to time.
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I know what you mean TJ and I also want to help the fight against cancer and other diseases in any way I can. That's why I have my machine running 24/7 and keep calming down my wife all the time, who gets upset regularly by the (pretty low) noise and (substantial) heat it generates, lol!

I'm only saying that the researchers should optimize their WUs for the hardware the majority of their crunching supporters have, that's all. That would give them the biggest gain and their supporters crunching satisfaction! Mega-crunchers would continue getting their mega-credit with the sheer amount of crunching work produced. That's pretty obvious methinks.
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TJ wrote at 14 Jul 2013 | 13:35:36 UTC:
Indeed we invest heavily on hardware and electricity, but we are not forced to do so. We choose to run BOINC as or free will. And everyone can contribute to her or his own possibilities.
I have seen cancer from close by, I have "lived" in a hospital for more than half a year so I will invest to contribute to help find answers. I can give money to a cancer fund but I don't know if they use it for research, or a campaign, or brochures or whatever. Here I know where it is for. I don't care about credits as well, but I know others do and that has to be taken into account indeed. I do Rosetta as well and there credit is very very low. The project has troubles all the time. But I stick to it as there research is useful.

Vagelis Giannadakis wrote at 15 Jul 2013 | 9:18:25 UTC:
I know what you mean TJ and I also want to help the fight against cancer and other diseases in any way I can. That's why I have my machine running 24/7 and keep calming down my wife all the time, who gets upset regularly by the (pretty low) noise and (substantial) heat it generates, lol!

I'm only saying that the researchers should optimize their WUs for the hardware the majority of their crunching supporters have, that's all. That would give them the biggest gain and their supporters crunching satisfaction! Mega-crunchers would continue getting their mega-credit with the sheer amount of crunching work produced. That's pretty obvious methinks.

It's all based on trust, that GPUGRID makes good use of your data from folded WU's. For all publised papers you've to pay money, something like 35 euros. I think that is a lot of money for a few pages of text, where I can't understand more then 50% procent of the text because it is writed in scientific launguage.

I'm only saying that the researchers should optimize their WUs for the hardware the majority of their crunching supporters have, that's all. That would give them the biggest gain and their supporters crunching satisfaction! Mega-crunchers would continue getting their mega-credit with the sheer amount of crunching work produced. That's pretty obvious methinks.

And I don't think the "1.5 GB is not enough" will be the norm now.

I have removed my 770 from the system as it ran fine but slow as it used 58540 seconds for a Nathan, while other 770 where around 32000 seconds for these WU's. Must be my MOBO, as the 660 had problems in the same system. But you know all that.
I will replace the MOBO and CPU asap and then I will use a power meter and post all the details here. But first the heat wave needs to be over.
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If anyone has actual power usage info for the GTX770 let us know.

A system with a GTX770 will use around 20W more when idle than without the GPU.
Anyone have load and idle power usages for a GTX680, ideally when running a long Nathan_Kid?