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Message 53369 - Posted: 18 Dec 2019 | 8:24:30 UTC

If I had a chance at getting a used 1080TI or if I get lucky and find a new one (being they are no longer made) which would be better for crunching here? The 1080 or the 1650?

Everything is rated for games, but how does gaming frames per minute and resolution apply to crunching? This is the one thing that I have never understood here in BOINC world and now that I am upgrading, I want to be sure I put my money into something that works very good here, not just the "latest and greatest" GPU. I'm also looking for something that can tackle Primegrid tasks.

Or is it more about cores, memory bandwith and speed of the cores and total memory? And which brand of the 1660 compares best with the 1080? And do I really need the dual fans for crunching? My 1050TI barely gets warm even with massive OC applied and its just a single fan.

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Message 53370 - Posted: 18 Dec 2019 | 9:23:08 UTC - in response to Message 53369.

If I had a chance at getting a used 1080TI or if I get lucky and find a new one (being they are no longer made) which would be better for crunching here? The 1080 or the 1650?
You are talking about 5 different GPUs throughout your post, so your questions are confusing.

Or is it more about cores, memory bandwidth and speed of the cores and total memory?
Yes. The more the merrier. The latest GPUs are more power effective, so their TCO (Total Cost of Ownership) is lower in the long term (especially if you crunch 24/7).

And which brand of the 1660 compares best with the 1080? And do I really need the dual fans for crunching? My 1050TI barely gets warm even with massive OC applied and its just a single fan.
More cores + more clock speed + more memory -> more power consumption = more heat output. Low end cards (1050Ti) does not need big coolers, as they generate less heat. A mid-range card will generate 2-3 times as much heat, and a high-end card will generate 4-5 times as much heat, so they need better (=bigger) coolers and airflow in the case.

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Message 53371 - Posted: 18 Dec 2019 | 10:22:03 UTC - in response to Message 53370.

A good figure is the "single precision GFLOPS" performance (see e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Nvidia_Graphics_Processing_Units ).

But please, whatever hardware you buy, be it for YOU, not "for" a distributed computing project.

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Message 53373 - Posted: 18 Dec 2019 | 16:57:20 UTC - in response to Message 53371.

A good figure is the "single precision GFLOPS" performance (see e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Nvidia_Graphics_Processing_Units ).

But please, whatever hardware you buy, be it for YOU, not "for" a distributed computing project.



If it was for just me, I would be out of distributed computing.
I could run on a 650 with no problem.
I think the 1060 will future proof me in the video world for a long time.
Thanks and sorry guys for all the confusion.

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Message 53409 - Posted: 31 Dec 2019 | 1:33:02 UTC - in response to Message 53369.
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I think the 1060 will future proof me in the video world for a long time.


If you would like to buy a "future proof" card (not only for CUDA but also for gaming), I would rather get one with a little more memory like 8GB. Because when you look at the video RAM usage in Afterburner-OSD or other tools, many current games tend to utilize 6GB and more already. The 1060 provides modest 6GB and the same applies to the new 1660. The cheapest Nvidia card with 8GB is the 2060 Super, alternatively you could aim at the 2070. This one has enough power to run most games on a very high level, unless you own a 4K monitor. The AMD 5700 (XT) is also a nice card, but you will not be able to run CUDA with this one, unfortunately. And AMD had not really a good reputation in the past when it came to driver stability. I don't know whether or not this has improved with Navi/RDNA.
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Message 53416 - Posted: 31 Dec 2019 | 19:28:19 UTC - in response to Message 53409.

I think the 1060 will future proof me in the video world for a long time.


If you would like to buy a "future proof" card (not only for CUDA but also for gaming), I would rather get one with a little more memory like 8GB. Because when you look at the video RAM usage in Afterburner-OSD or other tools, many current games tend to utilize 6GB and more already. The 1060 provides modest 6GB and the same applies to the new 1660. The cheapest Nvidia card with 8GB is the 2060 Super, alternatively you could aim at the 2070. This one has enough power to run most games on a very high level, unless you own a 4K monitor. The AMD 5700 (XT) is also a nice card, but you will not be able to run CUDA with this one, unfortunately. And AMD had not really a good reputation in the past when it came to driver stability. I don't know whether or not this has improved with Navi/RDNA.

Actually, it is much worse with the Navi 5500/5700/XT cards. They just don't compute OpenCL correctly on many projects now. They are polluting the science databases at many projects because of their gaming popularity and cross-verifications against another Navi card.

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Message 53418 - Posted: 1 Jan 2020 | 0:37:31 UTC - in response to Message 53416.
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I think the 1060 will future proof me in the video world for a long time.


If you would like to buy a "future proof" card (not only for CUDA but also for gaming), I would rather get one with a little more memory like 8GB. Because when you look at the video RAM usage in Afterburner-OSD or other tools, many current games tend to utilize 6GB and more already. The 1060 provides modest 6GB and the same applies to the new 1660. The cheapest Nvidia card with 8GB is the 2060 Super, alternatively you could aim at the 2070. This one has enough power to run most games on a very high level, unless you own a 4K monitor. The AMD 5700 (XT) is also a nice card, but you will not be able to run CUDA with this one, unfortunately. And AMD had not really a good reputation in the past when it came to driver stability. I don't know whether or not this has improved with Navi/RDNA.

Actually, it is much worse with the Navi 5500/5700/XT cards. They just don't compute OpenCL correctly on many projects now. They are polluting the science databases at many projects because of their gaming popularity and cross-verifications against another Navi card.



1)Not a gamer so don't care about gaming aspects of the cards. No 4k or UHD monitor here. Just 1080. It's enough for what I do.

2)Budget restrictions (i.e. cash flow) due to work accident have me looking at less than 200 for a card.

And I don't really want to spend more than that on a card. 98% of the cards power is just for BOINC GPU projects and FAH. The other 2% is for web browsing and youtube stuff.

I am not one to throw huge amounts of money at something for a computer. The new system with case (MSI B450 Tomahawk, AMD Ryzen 7 2700 CPU, 700 Watt digital power supply by CAM and Alphacool Eisblock water cooling plus a Corsair case with huge dual 240mm intake fans) cost me a small fortune. I am reusing my Noctura case fans and reusing my GTX 650 and 1050 GPU's. All the new stuff is middle of the road and strong enough to do what I need it to do. So the same applies to the GPU.

3)So that has me looking at some sort of 1650 card. That's at my limit for spending money related to future proofing and BOINC.

Ive had my 1050TI for a long time and its served me well. Even my old 650 still serves my basic display needs if I was connected to it. But for BOINC purposes its a dinosaur and my idea was to retire it and put the 1050ti in its place and then use the new card as my main cruncher for stuff like here and prime grid. FAH would goto the 1050.

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Message 53419 - Posted: 1 Jan 2020 | 0:45:54 UTC - in response to Message 53418.

The GTX 1650 card is a decent cruncher for under $200. You can find it near the top of the credit per watt-hour chart in this post at Seti. It falls to the middle of the pack though on the credit per hour chart. But this is only for Seti performance. But is still representative for relational purposes to other gpu products.

https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=81962&postid=2018703#2018703

If you can stretch your budget another $20-30 you could move up to the GTX 1660.

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Message 53420 - Posted: 1 Jan 2020 | 0:57:49 UTC - in response to Message 53419.
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The GTX 1650 card is a decent cruncher for under $200. You can find it near the top of the credit per watt-hour chart in this post at Seti. It falls to the middle of the pack though on the credit per hour chart. But this is only for Seti performance. But is still representative for relational purposes to other gpu products.

https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=81962&postid=2018703#2018703

If you can stretch your budget another $20-30 you could move up to the GTX 1660.


Anything is better than a 1050 and a 650. As for Seti, I don't know how intense you guys are with your data, but I am using mine for Prime Grid and some other math projects as well as Universe at home and FAH (non Boinc) and a few other projects besides here. I think Prime Grids chart is about the same as yours at Seti, the 1650 being a slightly above average processor. Credits per hour, no idea if they talk about that or not.

1660's here in Belgium make a significant price jump. They are over 200 Euro. Lowest decent ones are 206-215 Euro

This is the cheapest KFA2 60SRH7DSY91K and next up is Colorful iGameGeforceGTX1660Ultra. Both I don't really trust. I have not researched them at all. An authentic GE Force is going to cost me 220+

GeForce GTX 1660 VENTUS XS 6G OC -224
GeForce GTX 1660 ARMOR 6G OC - 225
These are breaking my back in cost.

After this its 250 Euro which is a no go.

And I can't order this stuff from back "home" in the US because customs would ding me a whole lot of money in taxes for this card and it would end up costing me as much or more than here. So 1650 is all I can do.

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Message 53421 - Posted: 1 Jan 2020 | 1:27:28 UTC - in response to Message 53420.

Colorful is supposed to have a VERY good reputation for all their AMD gpu products. Don't have any knowledge whether that carries over to their Nvidia product line. But I would think if the quality is there for one product line, the same quality process control probably is applied to any other product line.

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Message 53422 - Posted: 1 Jan 2020 | 1:31:37 UTC - in response to Message 53421.

Colorful is supposed to have a VERY good reputation for all their AMD gpu products. Don't have any knowledge whether that carries over to their Nvidia product line. But I would think if the quality is there for one product line, the same quality process control probably is applied to any other product line.


I'll dig into them later this week. its 230am here in EU land. So got to sleep.
Thanks for the short bit of info.

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Message 53424 - Posted: 1 Jan 2020 | 9:52:10 UTC - in response to Message 53422.
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Colorful is supposed to have a VERY good reputation for all their AMD gpu products. Don't have any knowledge whether that carries over to their Nvidia product line. But I would think if the quality is there for one product line, the same quality process control probably is applied to any other product line.


I'll dig into them later this week. its 230am here in EU land. So got to sleep.
Thanks for the short bit of info.




I might have a problem with getting this. It's mostly available from China and again customs is going to ding me. So have to dig around. I might just have to settle for the 1650.

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Message 53425 - Posted: 1 Jan 2020 | 12:13:33 UTC - in response to Message 53424.
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Colorful is supposed to have a VERY good reputation for all their AMD gpu products. Don't have any knowledge whether that carries over to their Nvidia product line. But I would think if the quality is there for one product line, the same quality process control probably is applied to any other product line.


I'll dig into them later this week. its 230am here in EU land. So got to sleep.
Thanks for the short bit of info.




I might have a problem with getting this. It's mostly available from China and again customs is going to ding me. So have to dig around. I might just have to settle for the 1650.



I've checked around and its all from China at low prices. So do to taxes and import fees and such, its down to variations of the 1650 and the 1660.

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